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  1. BobRyan

    Hell Is Not The Lake of Fire

    Agreed. I and in John 11 Jesus said that state of the soul is "sleep" it is "dormant". The spirit/soul "returns to God who gave it" at death. And it is in a dormant state. That is the first death. In Matthew 10:28 "do not fear those who can kill the body - but not the soul. Rather - fear Him...
  2. BobRyan

    Hell Is Not The Lake of Fire

    Sorry to tell you this - but the "lake of Fire" that we see in Rev 20 is judgment where "both Body AND soul" are destroyed according to Christ - Matt 10:28. 1. Nothing good happens to anyone that goes there. 2. No such thing as purgatory. 3. Hell is real - John calls it the "lake of fire" - in...
  3. BobRyan

    Has anyone here ever read this document?

    Yes - looks like a problem for protestants who forget history and the fact that the RCC claims those "exterminate hertics and Jews" actions in the Lateran IV dark ages - were "infallible" since it was an ecumenical council. If you have some groups join for common cause - Buddhist , Jew, Baptist...
  4. BobRyan

    Books Outside the Bible

    exterminate | Definition of exterminate in English by Oxford Dictionaries verb (used with object), exterminated, exterminating. 1. to get rid of by destroying; destroy totally; extirpate: to exterminate an enemy; to exterminate insects. Origin of exterminate 1535-45; < Latin exterminātus...
  5. BobRyan

    Books Outside the Bible

    exterminate | Definition of exterminate in English by Oxford Dictionaries verb (used with object), exterminated, exterminating. 1. to get rid of by destroying; destroy totally; extirpate: to exterminate an enemy; to exterminate insects. Origin of exterminate 1535-45; < Latin exterminātus...
  6. BobRyan

    Books Outside the Bible

    I can't tell if you are talking about the infallible counsel of LATERAN IV calling for the "extermination of heretics and Jews" or not. What exactly is this about?? Don't get me wrong on that infallability thing - I am not saying they are never right about something. For example when Clement...
  7. BobRyan

    Books Outside the Bible

    A lot of books that are not inspired - are interesting to read, and that is also true of the Apocrypha. Just remember the wise words of Jerome - they are not scripture.
  8. BobRyan

    Books Outside the Bible

    Those books were written by non-Christian Jews before the time of Christ and are not inspired text. Jerome when translating from Greek to create the Latin Vulgate - noted that they are not part of the canon of scripture. Josephus in the first century A.D. also agrees with this noting that the...
  9. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Your entire argument is based on the wild speculation that "parables are lies so Jesus never told one" -- which is totally false. Parables "are not lies" Parables illustrate a point Parables are not historic accounts/records Parables often include scenarios that are not facts in real life such...
  10. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Definition -- "A parable is a succinct, didactic story, in prose or verse that illustrates one or more instructive lessons or principles. It differs from a fable in that fables employ animals, plants, inanimate objects, or forces of nature as characters, whereas parables have human characters"...
  11. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Definition -- "A parable is a succinct, didactic story, in prose or verse that illustrates one or more instructive lessons or principles. It differs from a fable in that fables employ animals, plants, inanimate objects, or forces of nature as characters, whereas parables have human characters"...
  12. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Your entire argument is based on the wild speculation that "parables are lies so Jesus never told one" -- which is totally false. Parables "are not lies" Parables illustrate a point
  13. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    I never say "God breathed a living soul" into someone. A living soul is always the case of the spirit and body joined. A dormant "soul sleep" state is the spirit separated from the body. And then there is "both body and soul destroyed in fiery hell" Matthew 10:28 which is another thing entirely...
  14. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    false. I admit to the glaringly obvious fact that Jesus used parables and that parables "by definition" can contain elements that are merely there to illustrate the main point of the parable... such as "praying to the dead" in Luke 16 or "Abraham sovereign of all saints in heaven" etc. This is...
  15. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Yes it means it is not a historic account of anything. It is a story meant to illustrate a point -- Christ said in Luke 16 that "the point" is "If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" -- which is the very thing He was about to do. So in the...
  16. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    I prefer direct translations from Hebrew to English instead of Hebrew--> Greek --> English. Having said that,, even the LXX does not give you personal translation of "not willing to praise God". Not sure how this is helping your proposal. Parables use scenarios and images -- and don't have...
  17. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    No Bible text says that "Sheol is in paradise" or that "Paradise is in Sheol"
  18. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    I prefer direct translations from Hebrew to English instead of Hebrew--> Greek --> English. Having said that,, even the LXX does not give you personal translation of "not willing to praise God". Not sure how this is helping your proposal. Parables use scenarios and images -- and don't have...
  19. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Dormant. as Paul in 1 Thess 4 says "sleep"... as Christ in John 11 says "sleep" 2. There is no such thing as praying to the dead because the Bible says "the living know that they will die - but the dead know not anything" Eccl 9:5 Isaiah 38: "18 For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot...
  20. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    BobRyan said: ↑ So then even those scholars that take your side arguing for immortal soul (such as R.C. Sproul and Matthew Henry) freely admit Luke 16 is a parable when it comes to the rich man and Lazarus - and praying to the dead. Because they know full well (freely admit) that "praying to the...