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  1. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    "life" is in each cell from the start - that includes the cells in your finger.. every single one of them has "life" ... that thing that makes the difference between alive.... living and dead. If you lose a finger or eye or hand - we do not issue a death certificate even though all the cells in...
  2. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    You are inserting your own definition of "create". It is like saying that "you created your enemy and their atrocities" by choosing to go to war against them and thus leading them to view innocent civilians as their enemy if those civilians were native to your country. It is not a very useful...
  3. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Certainly I agree that the wicked are never granted "eternal life" and will not have "eternal life in the lake of fire". But be careful about the illustrations -- such things tend to oversimplify for the sake of explanation and in that simplification can be less than accurate in detail...
  4. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    1 John 3:4 "sin IS transgression of the LAW of God" -- i.e. "rebellion" 1. God did not create rebellion. He did not create sin. God created "free will". 2. God did create punishment for sin in hell, the lake of fire as we see in Rev 20 - but not because He enjoys suffering. 3. God did create...
  5. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Jude 1:7 Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire. 2 Peter 2: 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one...
  6. BobRyan

    Hell is Forever - Punishment, Torment or Torture - You Would Not Cease to Exist

    Matthew 10:28 28 Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
  7. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    More like - "a single former Seventh-day Adventist" is not the same as the "entire Seventh-day Adventist denomination and statement of beliefs". But yes I do agree that there is the history of Seventh-day Adventists where this or that "person" said any of a number of things and the stated set of...
  8. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    "life" is in each cell from the start - that includes the cells in your finger.. every single one of them has "life" ... that thing that makes the difference between alive.... living and dead. If you lose a finger or eye or hand - we do not issue a death certificate even though all the cells in...
  9. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    I don't know who he is and can't help what he said either. So at lease we have that in common. But I do know what the actual statement of beliefs are for the denomination itself and that those statements are available to the public online. That remains unchanged. And I do know that they never...
  10. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    It is often the case that those who enjoy "making stuff up" and who then immerse themselves in piling on false accusations - have "no interest" in showing that any false accusation has "substance". We all knew that -- right? Notice that even your 'no interest' post - still has some room for...
  11. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    The fact that you used to be something -- does not mean you remember a single thing about it accurately -- for all we know you have replaced whatever you factually learned with "creative writing". To "show" that you actually know a fact - quote the fact, the source... show that your writing is...
  12. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    Amen Until you read the actual Bible. "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 Nonsensical. Without time there are no events... without events you cannot love, learn, worship, praise, remember, glorify God etc. Please be reasonable. Less fiction, less...
  13. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    when confronted with creative writing and pure fiction - brakelite responds in this fashion Nice. :)
  14. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists is a public online document -- if you can find the nonsensical "child does not have a soul or spirit until he/she breathes air" in it - then show us... (which of course you cannot ) thus it is not too surprising that it is pretty obvious that...
  15. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    I have posted a great many times "do not take God's name in vain" -- a statement not in the NT -- but that does not make my post "scripture". I think we all knew that. what is more - the fake gospel of Barnabas was not known in the first or second century in a form that even exists today. It...
  16. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    Is there some point where your "beliefs" do not rely solely on making stuff up??
  17. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    Yes and a great many readers here will instantly see the benefit of the Gospel over the "obey and live" Old Covenant model. your response to that incredibly obvious contrast was hmm "what makes being saved better than being lost"?? "what makes obey-and-live worse than the "saved by grace...
  18. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    I already did - then posted the answer "again" -- read.
  19. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    "Not everyone that SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven-- but rather he who DOES the works" Matthew 7 "it is not the hearers of the LAW that are just before God - but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified" Rom 2:13 "Be not deceived" -- 1 Cor 6:9-11 Do not be deceived; neither...
  20. BobRyan

    Jesus and Commands

    BobRyan said: ↑ All the saved in both OT and NT - are under the New Covenant ... saved by grace through faith... the "Gospel preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8 and there is "only one" - Gal 1:6-9 All the lost in both OT and NT - are lost under the Old Covenant that is "obey and live" See Romans...