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Isa 55:10a, For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven... Rain does not come from clouds as you said. "Jesus wept" means that God sent manna from heaven. strs

I'll eagerly await your return home. And, yes, if you can provide any credible evidence that anything I said is a glaring error, the OP is gonzo!

So you found something that says Origin wasn't one of the first to employ the allegorical method? Where is it? I'll have a look. And how pray tell do you know I haven't read Origin's works? I actually have. In his "Dialogue with Tyrpho" it is glaringly obvious that he held a low opinion of the...

Hmmmm...interesting take there, but I still take the radical approach of saying that John meant to say Jesus wept.

I'll make you a deal. Find me just one citation that says that Origin was not one of the first to use the allegorical method of interpreting scripture and I'll remove the OP. Fell free to use the ECFs.

I've heard of internet trolls but never really knew what they are. I just now looked it up. Here's what I found on howtogeek.com: "An internet troll is someone who makes intentionally inflammatory, rude, or upsetting statements online to elicit strong emotional responses in people or to steer...

That does look to be a pretty good website. Looks very extensive. I bookmarked it. One thing about it though was that there is no way to search through the material. For example, there was no quick way to determine if Origin was one of the first to use the allegorical method to interpret the...

True. But there is no shortages of documents recently discovered (in the last 75 years of so) from the first few centuries AD from which modern historians can learn.

Kind of an odd question, but here goes: It's a simile, a figure of speech in which two essentially unlike things are compared, often in a phrase introduced by like or as, as in. I think the message was the Asahel was a faster runner than the average guy, but certainly not as fast as a gazelle...

Maybe block my posts? All you have to do is click on my image and then click on "ignore."

Allegory, metaphors, hyperbole, and many other types of figures of speech are absolutely found in the scriptures. The thing many don't understand about figures of speech is that they are used in as precise a manner as literal speech. It's true that some speakers/writers misuse them or mix them...

So the ECFs do say that Origin was one of the first to use the allegorical method? If you already knew that why are you asking me to prove it? I admit I have no evidence that supports my claims? Could you quote me on that?

Good point. We must read read the account literally (considering figures of speech, etc) and from that literal reading we can learn the application(s). But when one begins to analogize Jonah without using accepted grammatical guidelines, one can say it means whatever strikes their fancy. Maybe...

Since you are the one arguing against those points, it ought to be you giving me reason that they are wrong. Besides I have a feeling that I could quote numerous historians (I'd leave out any premil historians) and you'd still not believe. Luke 16:31, And he said unto him, If they hear not...

Prove that!

OK. That's fine if you rely on RCC historians for history while ignoring all others, Christian and secular alike. Find me just one RCC historian that would say Origin was not one of the first to use the allegorical method to interpret scripture. Then I'll sit up and take notice, and we can fact...

I found the ECFs. I've studied them to some degree, enough to get the gist. I just never heard them called ECFs. What's with this constant insistence on your part that I remove my post? Have I asked you to remove what I obviously consider error? No! I allow you the freedom of airing your views...

I found the ECFs on staycatholic.com. Now I know what you mean. Everybody that has ever lived has good points and bad points. When someone is writing about someone else they will either emphasize to some degree or another the good points or the bad points. It all depends on the writer's point...

Yeah, you're right. Historians don't know what they are talking about. I should just listen to WPM. I mean, what does Jeremiah or Paul know about God's plan? They're both deceived because they didn't read and believe the ECFs. They're nothing but a couple of cop outs! Seriously? BTW, this idea...

Did you notice that after very recently apologizing to me for personal attacks, your are now accusing me of being gullible, deceived, blinkered (whatever that is), and unable to think for myself? It doesn't bother me, but it does tend to make me give less credence to your posts. But it's not...