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  1. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    Jesus shed his blood, ensuring the future fulfillment of the New Covenant God made with Israel in Isaiah 31:31. As I've said, the things mentioned in the rest of that chapter and many other, have not yet come to pass. Doesn't mean in any way shape or form God abandoned His promise. It's yet future.
  2. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    1 Thes 4:17, After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord. Wherever Jesus will be from the point on we'll be with him. The last 3 chapters of Revelation say Jesus will come down...
  3. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    You might want to amend that to say, "At least Amillennialist recognize the assumed symbolic context of the Book of Revelation and the apocalyptic genre."
  4. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I didn't say anything about anybody getting silver. I'd think if any explanation is warranted it'd be you explaining where God gave Israel silver. At least I think that's what you intimated. To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what your point was with that parable.
  5. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I tried to quote 150+ verses, but we're only allowed 10,000 characters. Still this should be enough to start with, Gen 12:7, And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. Gen 13:15, For...
  6. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Might it not be that the piece of land is on the new earth? I think it just might be the case! I have nothing to say other than "heavenly" is in the genitive case. I explained that the basic meaning of that case is descriptive not location. Yeah, but I don't see where Peter, Stephen, or Paul...
  7. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I didn't say anything about anybody getting silver. I'd think if any explanation is warranted it'd be you explaining where God gave Israel silver. At least I think that's what you intimated. To be honest, I'm not sure exactly what your point was with that parable.
  8. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I've already shown that all the mentions of a New Covenant in the Gospels and Paul's letters refer back to the covenant God made with Israel in Jeremiah 31:31. Now I'm aware that verse 6 uses the words "Better Covenant" but it'd be hard to construe that it is something other the 2 "New Covenant"...
  9. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Of course. In none of my posts do I claim to be commenting on the entire Bible. Does that really say that the country is IN heaven? Might it not be saying that the New Jerusalem will be coming down from heaven (as per Rev 21:2), and is thus heavenly in nature? The word "heavenly" in v 16 is in...
  10. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    You are assuming we are living in the New Covenant that was promised in Isaiah 31:31. If you'd read the whole of Jeremiah 31 (and other prophets talking about the same thing) it ought to be glaringly obvious that none of that has come to pass, thus the New Covenant is future. There is nowhere...
  11. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    I don't think I used the EFC in any way, let alone dishonorably God clearly promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob a land that could be seen with their eyes, where there would fruit tree, houses, jobs, animals, etc. How does saying those promises were fulfilled by the church in a heavenly kingdom...
  12. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I understand the Christ is reigning in heaven now. But that does not preclude his future reign over the earthly land God promised Abraham. Issac, and Jacob. Without me saying at this point that the 1,000 years are literal or figurative, I do understand why amils must take it as figurative. The...
  13. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    You're right about the importance of what 1,000 means. I think I'm going to spend some time researching what "1,000" meant in the Ancient Near East. I'm going to study its meaning, not just in the Bible, but in the Ancient Near East. I think it'd be more neutral and it's usage in the Bible is...
  14. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    As I said, I was being facetious about Jesus being in grave for 3,000 days (or years, whatever, facetious is facetious). I guess I failed to make my point with you. And yes, I too see the importance of context. I just looked at the Greek word for "year." G2094 ἔτος etos (e'-tos) n. a year...
  15. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Fair enough. In a moment. A question you didn't answer. But for the record, I was being facetious. The Greek word for hour is: G5610 ὥρα hora (hō'-ra) n. an “hour.” {literally or figuratively} Maybe it was somebody else, but I did mention context. It would be reasonable to say the in the case...
  16. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Have you ever done an in-depth study of the different words used for time in the scriptures? Assuming you have, how can you tell when a period of time is literal or figurative? Or are they all literal or are they all figurative?
  17. Rich R

    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Context. If that is blank check to say any length of time is not really what it says, then who's to stop me from saying Jesus will be in the grave, not for three literal days, but for 3,000 years? Since 2,000 years have gone by since Jesus died, we have another 1,000 years to go before he rises...
  18. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    History is history. If it discredits someone, so be it. I know. That's why I included it. Nonetheless it does say, "His purpose was to recover Plato for Platonism, and then Platonism for Christianity" which is exactly what I've been saying. Why couldn't it be you who is building a slanted...
  19. Rich R

    The Root question of Amillenial vs Premillenial

    I dare say WPM would have better spent his time studying the scriptures. But to each his own. Could you be more specific? What have I said that contradicts the scriptures? But if I have, would you think I'm the only one who has done so? Does everybody here but me have the absolute truth?