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Being that Paul made a definite statement (multiple times) that salvation is in no way by works, we must conclude that James is referring to works as the proof of our salvation. In other words, proper faith in Christ will bring forth proper works. That is found in his statement, "show me your...

WOW! How ridiculous can a conversation become? The legal mind will do legal things, they can't help it, they must find a way to earn their salvation. They will find that Grace has eluded them. Simple faith is just not enough!

Let me show you something, Titus. 1 John 3:22-24 "And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he...

My Gospel teaches me that by faith in Christ I obey the commandments. That 100% faith in Christ gives the Holy Spirit the legal latitude to "fulfill the righteousness of the Law in us." Rom. 8:4 "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but...

Did not Paul make it clear? We are saved by Grace through faith, not of ourselves, not of works.

Nicodemus did not understand how one must be born again. He asked Christ, how can this be, can a man enter the womb the second time and be born? Then Christ told him that one must be born of water (the natural birth) and of the Spirit (the spiritual rebirth).

Exactly! Salvation is in the repentance, period! Now my faith is followed by my works. The very first thing I did as new believer was to be water baptized, not to be saved, but to profess my faith in Christ.

God has taught me that salvation comes only by faith in Christ. When I split that faith in Him with another requirement, it is no longer Grace. In your case, you have resorted to Law, the Law of your own making. You have cancelled out Grace by making obeying/works your foundation of faith.

Man has to make a choice after he hears the Gospel. The hearing of the Gospel demands it. When man decides he must be water baptized to be saved, he has already made that choice.

Well, it's pretty simple! If man can't be saved until he is water baptized, then man is depending on man to be saved through that ceremony. You can't water baptize yourself! That's just about as far from Grace as one can get!

I can do that with a clear conscience now.

He certainly will judge you, Matthew. This false teaching that has no text whatsoever, a pure pipedream, cannot go without judgement.

Matthew, I don't want to see you answer to Christ at His Judgment Seat for teaching others that no matter what, they will end up in His Kingdom. That is not going to be pleasant for you, my friend. I'm doing my part to show you this is a very dangerous teaching and carries severe consequences!

How can they be outside the gates (in the way you interpret) when they have been cast into the lake of fire? "outside the gates" means they have no access to the gates, in the correct interpretation. Because they did not believe in Christ for the right reasons.

There goes your reasoning again! The Scripture plainly says that all in hell are raised up and judged at the White Throne of Judgement, and all who are not found written in the Book of Life were cast into the lake of fire. If you notice, there is no longer a hell, it is cast into the lake of...

If you read the Scripture, hell gives up it's dead to be judged, and then cast into the lake of fire. The final destination of the lost!

Show me the verse where they get out of hell, Matthew! Just trying to show you that your teachers are dreamers, not realistic.

Not tired of you, Matthew, just tired of your false teachers! Ask your teachers to show us where they get out of hell. That will settle the whole affair, until then it's just a dream.

You can just unfollow this thread also, brother! When you can plainly show us where they get out of hell just as plainly as we are told they are cast into hell, then you can come back and show us. Your reasoning is tiresome, show us some evidence or be silent!

Same answer as my last post.