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  1. BobRyan

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    First of all I would not want to in any way say anything negative about your choice not to debate with @gadar - but in your quote of 2John 1:9-11 -- it is a case of John condemning fellow believers who were steeped in error. But remember at the time John is writing - Christianity is viewed as a...
  2. BobRyan

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    Heb 8 - reads as it does -- the only response to it so far is to complain about the text and the fact that I keep noticing how it all fits with Christ as the primary focus all the way through it. Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?? No one offers "details" to show that the Hebrews 8 text...
  3. BobRyan

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    Both the Father and the Son are called YHWH in the OT not just in the NT case of Hebrews 8 -- the Father is not the "High Priest" of Hebrews 8. See the details in the chapter Hebrews 8 just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He (Christ) says...
  4. BobRyan

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    Hebrews 8 just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He (Christ) says, “that you make all things according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He (Christ) has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He (Christ) is...
  5. BobRyan

    Eternal Security

    Both the Father and the Son are called YHWH in the OT not just in the NT case of Hebrews 8 -- the Father is not the "High Priest" of Hebrews 8. See the details in the chapter Hebrews 8 just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He (Christ) says...
  6. BobRyan

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    Amen! Those who accept the Bible doctrine on free will "can have the assurance today" that they ARE saved, they are in Christ.. but what they cannot know is that 20 years from today they WILL still be saved. However the OSAS person that is in the 3-point or 5-point Calvinist group, cannot even...
  7. BobRyan

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    Ok so there are two forms of OSAS. Many times the free-will group that I identify with will reduce OSAS to one form - but there are two forms of it. 1. Affirms the Bible doctrine on the "perseverance of the saints" - and won't allow OSAS to be claimed unless the person really does...
  8. BobRyan

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    John 14 8 Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in...
  9. BobRyan

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    You asked whether "this particular scripture" might be just for Jews - just for those under the Law, just for Old Covenant condemnation of the Law, and not at all meant for New Covenant Christians, did I get that right?
  10. BobRyan

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    The NT writer is not reporting the teaching of Jesus as something "not to be listened to". In Matthew 28 "the great commission" is to "teach them " what Christ had taught - rather than to tell them that what Christ taught is of no concern since it no longer applies. 20 teaching them to observe...
  11. BobRyan

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    Not according to Christ in Matthew 19 Jesus said that He spoke nothing at all of "His" own but only what the Father speaks. John 14 8 Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to...
  12. BobRyan

    Eternal Security

    True. I knew someone who at one time was a strong Christian -- then started cheating on his wife for about a year... then got caught and after some time he came back to Christ and to his wife. But then he had an even "bigger" problem because he believed in OSAS. And now he finds that no matter...
  13. BobRyan

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    What I am saying is that Paul and John agree. In fact Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 And as John reminds us "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12 And Paul says that in those commandments "Honor our Father and mother"...
  14. BobRyan

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    In fact Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 And as John reminds us "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
  15. BobRyan

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    Agreed. No one is lost under the New Covenant -- Jeremiah 31:31-33 it has the Law of God written on the heart. No one is saved under the old Covenant - because the heart is not changed by the Old Covenant. Adam was saved under the "one Gospel" covenant -- the only one that ever was as Paul...
  16. BobRyan

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    Same ones as Christ in Matthew 19 As God in Ex 20 As Paul in Romans 13 As James in James 2. And so Paul reminds us that in that list of commandments - the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 Gal 1:6-9 "though WE (Apostles) or an ANGEL from heaven should come to...
  17. BobRyan

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    True - and yet Romans 6:23 says "the wages of sin is DEATH" not "less toys in heaven" :) 1 Cor 6 "Be not deceived" says Paul 7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you...
  18. BobRyan

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    1 John 3:4 "sin IS transgression of the Law" even in the NT Rom 3 19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified...
  19. BobRyan

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    The ones where "the first commandment with a promise" is "Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:2 The ones that Christ quotes in Matthew 19 The ones James lists in James 2 The ones God lists in Exodus 20
  20. BobRyan

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    True. Matthew 7 "By their fruits you shall know them" -- where Christ said "bad fruit does not come from a good tree". :) There is a "version" of OSAS (not all versions do this) that claims that loads of bad fruit come from a supposedly good tree -- all the way to the person's death and then...