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  1. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    I see a parallel between Jesus and the people he addressed in John 20:17, namely that they both had the same God and Father. Whoever the God of the people was, Jesus had that same God. I'm not sure that his ministering as a human would change that. So long as we refrain from adding extraneous...
  2. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    You stated it better than I! To think God has a God does indeed open a can of worms. That's why I wonder about Jesus talking about his God and Father as well the Peter and Paul talking about the God and Father of Jesus some 7 times. Assuming Jesus is God, then there is really no escaping the...
  3. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    And yet Jesus prayed, "...that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:3 The word "know" is Greek "ginosko" which any Bible dictionary will define as something like, "To have an intimate relationship with another person" For God to tell me that...
  4. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    That could be, but God keeping His God and Father a secret seems pretty extreme. But then I suppose a case could be made for God being rather extreme. Still, it doesn't seem plausible to me.
  5. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    Do you think having the rank of God is the same as actually being God? Just saying there is no one higher on the totem pole than God doesn't explain the many clear verses that say there is indeed a God and Father of God. And I can see that none of them make a distinction between God part and a...
  6. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    Do you mean God doesn't want us (and Satan) to know who His God is?
  7. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    A case could certainly be made for that as far as why Jesus said he had a God and a Father, although I don't see a clear scripture saying that. In any case, it doesn't really explain Peter and Paul saying Jesus had a God as well as a Father no less than 7 times. Assuming the doctrine that Jesus...
  8. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    I see what you're saying now. The Jews of that time equated "the word of God" with God Himself. That has a huge impact on the meaning of John 1. They would never have seen that as a God becoming a man. They were vehemently against such an idea although it was prevalent among the Greeks and the...
  9. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    You mean change the verses? That's not a good idea. :)
  10. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    I think I see what you are saying, but I'm still confused. You and I both have the same God, namely the God and Father of Jesus Christ. So I can say, as Jesus said, "...my God and your God..." Wouldn't that mean nothing more than that both of us have the same God? Why would it mean one of is...
  11. Rich R

    Who is God's God?

    It's certainly no secret that according to Orthodox Christian doctrine, Jesus is God. That brings up an interesting question, one that I've not been able to sort out. Paul and Peter said multiple times that Jesus had a God and Jesus himself said the same thing. John 20:17, Jesus saith unto...
  12. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    How would you suggest we make 1 Thess 5:23 agree with Gen 2:7?
  13. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    You're right! Gen 2:7, And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. It's plain in the very beginning that God did not create man's body and put a soul into it. Man was a living soul. Man was a living...
  14. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    Sounds good. What is the 7th Kingdom? It's something new to me.
  15. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    I trust you are born again as I am. In the overall scheme of things that is the most important. The rest will be sorted out and made plain when Jesus comes back. Of course if you are right, we don't have to wait until Jesus comes back. Still, I can't help be wonder if it's the latter, why will...
  16. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    I'll just go over the thief on the cross with Jesus. The rest you quoted can be explained in such a way that they agree with the several clear verses I quoted that say the dead are really dead, but they require a bit more background and an open mind which admittedly is very difficult in light of...
  17. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    Have you ever looked at Greek philosophy and Egyptian myths regarding soul and compared it to church doctrine? They are virtually identical. Of course that in and of itself is no proof that the church got it's doctrine from them. However, if you compare what the Bible says about the dead (take...
  18. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    Paul actually said we are not to mourn our dead brothers and sisters because, "...the dead in Christ shall rise..." For the dead to rise they have to be dead. The word "shall" means sometime in the future. In this case it's when Jesus comes back to gather us together. Until then, the dead are...
  19. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    Those guys are an exception to the rule about death clearly laid out in Ps 88:10, 115:17, Ecc 9:5-6, and others? Something's not right about that. Well, again, I think that's pretty much what the serpent told Eve. It also agrees with Greek philosophy and Egyptian mythology. I think the whole...
  20. Rich R

    Understanding the The 1000 Year Millennium in Prophecy

    Well, the Greek philosophers and ancient Egyptians would agree with that. That's not the company I want to keep though. Going to heaven upon death would not be a bad thing at all, certainly not an enemy. And yet God calls death exactly that; an enemy (1 Cor 15:26). One thing for sure, we'll...