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This is quite a different scenario that has nothing to do w/ John17, but in this case, do you remember the Canaan woman in Matt. 15:22-26, read it? At this point in time, and always, the bride could be none other than Israel. Those that would become the gentile church are the "dogs" in this...

I guess it's all in how one reads it. I read it like: the two olive trees are the two witnesses and the oil they give to the pipes is the HS and when they are emptying the oil out of themselves, they are lighting themselves as candlesticks bringing light to a world hung-up in darkness and not...

Well if you're going to read a book of prophecy like Rev. as a history book, understanding will never come.

Do you know the difference between marriage and a Trinity type form of unity? Would you say they are all married to each other?

Not in this case, the church couldn't be part of his Body until after the crucifixion. Context determines our understanding of any scripture and the context is three separate prayers for three specific parties.

Let's get over sentimentality and give things a honest look, 2 Cor. 11:2, Paul would not have a legal authority to do that, in context, he is espousing us to one God. Rom. 7:4, the word for "married" here is G1096 and it is used over 650 times, this is the only passage where it is translated as...

Quite familiar with it, there are three different prayers for three different purposes. In vss. 1-5 Christ prays for himself, in vss. 6-19 he prays specifically for his 12 disciples and then Christ prays for all future believers that begin when the disciples begin their ministry after Pentecost...

That's not quite true. The description of Zech. 4:1 says "...and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:" This is a description of a menorah that is oil-based. A menorah looks like a candlestick w/ seven flames, the oil runs up through the...

Well that's a problem because although that's what you believe, it's not what the bible says. Yes, the NJ is the bride, but you "assume" it is the church when it doesn't actually say so, same as Rev. 19:7. You do know that the Book of Life was also common knowledge to Israel right, it's not...

Luke 24:44 offers a clearer take on that " And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

Really, How much "wisdom" would it take to guess Rome? But in this case I believe John actually means "mountains" and not hills. None, so that should tell one right away that he's not speaking of Rome, if he was he simply would have said so and no he wasn't speaking in some kind of code, Romans...

Yes, in this case the oil represents the "power" of the HS and that is what is being poured into the two olive trees (men) so they have the power to to devour their enemies through the "fire" that comes out of their mouths and to smite the earth w/ plagues, like (the man) Moses did and yes I...

Exactly!

We don't need a marriage to become "one" w/ Christ, that occurs w/ salvation. I think you mean Rev. 21:9-11 and the church is never mentioned, that is a presumption and the church is most certainly not the NJ. See my reply to David in NJ.

Jesus is using a parable to foretell a prophecy thus no OT utterance is necessary. I think it's a matter of both physical and spiritual preparation for when the church gets tried via the GT. Spiritual preparation so you won't become apostate and physical preparation for the time you may need or...

It's really not that hard to understand. They are two olive trees because they are bringing God's message to Israel and they are called candlesticks because they are representing Christ as the "Light" of the world. That's all, nothing more and nothing less!

Heavy sigh, you're right but not every time the word "oil" is used does it mean the Holy Spirit, nor does it mean that in the examples you gave. Olive oil was the type of oil they used in their lamps that were oil based and olive oil was the kind of oil used for anointing plus several other...

The key is Zech. 4:12, Ask yourself, why are the churches called candlesticks? what does that symbolism represent? That same representation will be fulfilled w/ the two human witnesses. That's why they are referred to as olive trees associated w/ the symbolism of the candlesticks, churches have...

This is a book of prophecy, not a book of history. It doesn't matter what nations did what in the past, it is what that particular future nation will do in the future that matters. With the anti-christian sentiment growing greater in America on a daily basis, I have no doubt that we will become...

The symbolic description of the two witnesses isn't based on the seven churches but on Zech. 4!