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  1. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i had a dog called thumper. best three legged coon dog in the county!
  2. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    another big issue with the trinity is it took so long to figure it out. in the mid 500s they are still calling church councils to adjust this doctrine, thats almost 600 years after Jesus and they still can not get it right. the doctrine conflicts with scripture so in order to fix these problems...
  3. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i dont doubt that but that does not prove anything, you cant just pull something out of thin air, Jesus is a giant thunderbird, and when people question it say, the Lord can do anything.
  4. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    it cant be both, He was either tempted or not tempted, and if only His human part was tempted than it means He has another part that did not get tempted, that other part makes Jesus a divided Jesus, part of Him is one thing and part of Him is another. none the less, Human beings are not divided...
  5. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    thank you AP but im still learning myself. the creator has many titles, i prefer to use "Most High" as it only applies to the One. Elohim or G-D can be applied to others and can get confusing as we see in this discussion, so many when they see the word "elohim" they automatically assume its...
  6. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    its not that i cant understand it, its the fact that this idea just does not hold water, in order for it to add up you have to ignore so many things, one big one is the fact that we, mankind, are not the Most High. scripture calling Jesus elohim does not make Jesus the Most High. the Most High...
  7. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    Also, where is Moses called an elohim? thats not an answer, your dodging. do you think all the other sons of the Most High are the Most High? no i guess you still dont see the contradiction in this, let me start over. are you the Most High? that would mean Jesus is 50/50, half Most High and...
  8. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    Moses and angels are called elohim, do you think they are the Most High? no, you can not be both. if Jesus is the Most High that makes Him nothing like the rest of us because we are NOT the Most High. how are not seeing this problem? sin is evil, do you think Satan was tempting Jesus with...
  9. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    play on words? so that means we can input whatever we like, we could input kermit the frog under this philosophy. it all works because its play on words. see how that blows up in your face, none the less thats not what he says. John 8 48 is not a command and not relevant. G-D the Son is a...
  10. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    can you explain this to me because this is one of those things that has never made sense to me. one day im just a guy, the next day i believe the Most High became a man. how does this make me a different person, a better person? this idea would fall under the category of the Most High can do...
  11. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    maybe your right, lets put it to the test and see. lets switch I Am for Most High and see how it works "Unless you believe that Most High, you will die in your sins." does that sound right to you? none the less it does not sound at all like Jesus is saying "I am the Most High. for Jesus to be...
  12. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i agree, "i am" could mean many things. so what is the book of John wanting us to think when they use this phrase? i think the end of John explains it so there would be no confusion: John 20 30-31 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this...
  13. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    John 8 24 does not say that. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.” it says you must believe Jesus is "he". you guys have a really bad habit of this, you cant just insert what ever you want into the scripture, the...
  14. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    the US today is so different than the US when i was younger. all we do here is work and sleep, my kids go to school and come home, its not just us, its everywhere here. i want to go somewhere where there is more social activity on a bigger scale, like it used to be here. edit - 10 years back i...
  15. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    glad you agree ap. im trying to relocate to Ireland or Italy. i dont care for the culture here.
  16. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i dont mean disrespect, but its odd how you guys will blindly ignore things that are right in front of you, i mean, i showed you a simple problem, asked you a simple question on it, you answer with these random things like "the Son is eternal?" which i have no idea what that is supposed to mean...
  17. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    doesn anyone else think the trinity may have been invented to separate Judaism from Christianity? you have to admit its very strange that Jews had no problem following Jesus and the 12, fast forward several hundred years when the trinity is being taught and now no Jew will touch the faith with a...
  18. jaybird

    Apostolic councils?

    the one truth would be the Most High. man claiming they are the only truth is just arrogant boasts. and yes i know Jesus was a man and He was truth but we know Jesus was true because Jesus proved Himself time and time again, most churches claiming they are the only truth are doing nothing but...
  19. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    that mean you dont know?
  20. jaybird

    Apostolic councils?

    again, my argument is with you, not Jesus, your not Jesus. and just so you know, when people start claiming to be Jesus is a sure sign their theology has issues. all one with Jesus does not mean two believers can not go to two different churches. like i pointed out before, Jesus and John were...