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  1. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    thats great but you didnt answer the question, whos son if the Most High?
  2. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    you thnk the Most High, creator of all things, is the "son of" someone? whos son is He?
  3. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i agree with the 'agency" thing. your the expert on that. i think ther is another example of that in the NT, the centurion and the sick servant, the centurion sent someone to Jesus and Jesus responds to the person sent as if He is speaking to the centurion who is not there. this is also what...
  4. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    what are talking about, when you introduce yourself you introduce a second version of yourself and then tell everyone there are two of you but you both are one, this is what you tell people? because the world i live in no one has ever done this. the Father has ways that can not be understood, i...
  5. jaybird

    Apostolic councils?

    no my argument is with you, you are not Jesus. you miss used Jesus "one" teaching to suggest no one can follow Jesus unless they first bow down to a church.
  6. jaybird

    Apostolic councils?

    if they are seeking the Father yes, that is what Jesus teaches.
  7. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i dont know, lets look at the first passage MT 3 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” beloved Son means Most High? the Most High is introducing His Son who is the Most High, Himself? im sorry but that does not make any sense at all...
  8. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    the Most High sent Jesus, the Father never said He Himself was coming and you dont send yourself. when my wife sends me to the store she would never say that thinking she is sending herself to the store. Jesus sits at His own right hand, prayed to Himself, etc. the trinity just does not pass the...
  9. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    the statement contradicts itself, you can only be one or the other unless you belive the Most High is the same as the rest of us.
  10. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    ok?
  11. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    im not a big fan of what the pharisees think because they are the same ones that are plotting His murder. how credible can they be? IMO He cant be fully G-D and fully man because men are not the Most High. men and the Almighty are two different things, if Jesus is the Most High that would make...
  12. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    if its in the hands of the pharisees to decide who Jesus, here they are later on in John 9: 16 Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?” here they speak as if they believe Jesus to...
  13. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    what does equal with the Father mean?
  14. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i have a question to anyone that can answer, some claim that if you dont believe Jesus is the Most High (deny the deity), or do not accept the trinity, then it undoes everything. how does Jesus being a man undo anything? another thing that confuses me, "deity" means a divine being, not the...
  15. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    i agree about the caps but the guy i was talking to believes that phrase to be the Most High so i try to respect his belief. the way i understand is Jesus said "I am" and the Hebrew bible says " Am who I Am" or I Am Who will be" which is what you said i think. the word analysis is so complex...
  16. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    thanks ap. another thing for everyone to consider. we are expected to follow Jesus, Jesus obeyed the law, healed the sick, fed the hungry, etc, we can do those things. the Almighty created the Heavens and Earth, how exactly do we follow that? IMO only a man can be an example to men.
  17. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    im not the final authority on scripture but im pretty sure thats not what He is saying. i am means i exist in greek so the scripture could mean "before Abraham I existed" which He did, i think everyone agrees on this. but lets go the other way " before Abraham I am the Most High". to me this is...
  18. jaybird

    Who Are The Sons OF God?

    Sons of the Most High denotes state of being. Created in the heavens - sons of the Most High Created of earth- sons of man
  19. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    Jesus never teaches anything where his "divinity nature" is crucial to being a believer. This all came along later. The crowds that followed Jesus believed Him to be a prophet, they are called believers.
  20. jaybird

    The Trinity definition

    its the opposite for me. a man walking on water is a miracle, the Almighty creator of all things walking on water, no one would think different.