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The rules say nobody can attack someone else's character. You say I'm dishonorable and lack integrity. They also say we must stay on topic. I don't recall anything in the OP about honor and integrity.

I was mistaken. But to my defense I might say that usually when someone brings up John 17:4-5 they are saying Jesus was alive before the world was, hence preexistence. Do I understand you to take them some other way?

The amazing thing about forums is that so many know so much about somebody they've never met. Or they think they do at any rate.

Am I not welcome? Sounds like that's what you're saying.

What I was trying to say was that, given Ephesians 1:4, maybe things that are said to preexist mean something other than something exists before it actually exists. God chose you before the foundation of the world.

Then it's possible that I can murder someone and suffer no consequences in this life of the one to come? I don't think so. The verses that say all things are possible have a context. They don't mean any nonsensical idea can be true. I assume you are talking about preexistence. Eph 1:4...

Where does the scriptures say 3 is 1? You discount non-trinitarians because they don't thing 3 is 1. The only way 3 could be 1 is by mysticism. It sure isn't natural. That's what I meant.

Well, Jesus started out in life just like the rest of us. He knew nothing about obedience or disobedience. He came into this world knowing nothing and learned about life as he was taught. Part of that teaching was to be obedient to God. That's my best answer. I would be interested to get your...

Yes, we must dabble in mysticism for the trinity. From post #32: "Seems like an easy question. Not sure why so many couldn't answer it. Jesus was always the son of God. You do understand that a son can in no way be his own father?" Maybe people answer your questions but you don't read them?

Seems like an easy question. Not sure why so many couldn't answer it. Jesus was always the son of God. You do understand that a son can in no way be his own father?

And you've looked at all my posts? I don't think so.

Either you are incredibly out of touch and don't see the correlation between Jesus being God and the trinity doctrine, or you are a nitpicker extraordinaire. Since you seem to be fairly intelligent, I'm thinking the latter. :) Whose to say? Well said there! That's what we are to guard against.

If in one case "form" means an outward appearance and in another case it mean identity, it is absolutely diametrically opposed. The same word is given opposite meanings in order to satisfy preconceived ideas. That's what I meant. That and a bunch of other things. Yes, but more to the point...

So in Timothy "form" indeed means an outward appearance but in Philippians it's an identity? I guess that's because it works with the trinity that way, that we must interpret everything so as to fit with the trinity. The trinity comes first and then the story. Really?

Precisely! How did I not say exactly that? But let's forget what I said and just read the verses. Phil 2:1-4, 1 If [there be] therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, 2 Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded...

What I like is not part of the equation Any thoughts on something else I posted? Mark 16:11-12, 11 And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. 12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country...

Technically you are correct. But maybe not so different? Philippians uses the word: G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n. 1. form. Timothy uses the word: G3446 μόρφωσις morphosis (mor'-fō-sis) n. 1. formation. 2. (by implication) , appearance (semblance or (concretely) formula). [from G3445]...

2 Tim 3:5, Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. Clearly the folks Paul is talking about are not actually godly at all. Note verses 1-4 make that clear. However it is equally clear they have a "form" of godliness. Apparently someone being in the "form"...

As in being "one" ala John 10:30? What a novel concept! :) BTW, I do think you have a healthy sense of humor. A good thing to have in my book.

But to us there is but one President, Joe Biden, who is the leader and one Vice President, Kamala Harris, who is second in command. Know anybody who thinks Joe and Kamala are one "essence?"