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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In all of our discussion, there is only one little thing I copied and pasted to save time. I'm surprised you saw that. Or did you see it? What little part did I quote? Take a guess, and then I'll tell you exactly what it was.
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You are absolutely correct on that, but aren't you also going to bow your knee to him at that time? Interesting that the verse you referred to was talking about Christian judging other Christians. Rom 14:10-11, 10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy...
  3. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Yes, but even with that clarification, it still doesn't give us license to say things that completely defy normal language, grammar, and logic. Before saying that God is somehow above logic, consider John 1:1 and all the other places where we find the Greek word "logos."
  4. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In John, Jesus prayed twice that we would all be one. Does that make us all God? Better reconsider what it means to be one. I just read where a mob "was one" in their demands for better living conditions. I almost hate to bring it up, but it is a fact that both ancient Hebrew and Greek were...
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Isaiah 55:9 has a context and it's not saying nobody can understand God. Jesus himself said he came to make God known (John 15:15), so Isaiah can't be saying God can't be known. It certainly is no justification for the Athenasian Creed. Isaiah is just saying He knows better than man what is good...
  6. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Would you mind explaining why my not agreeing with you is "stone headedness"? Why isn't you who is stone headed for not agreeing with me? I think it's a pretty convoluted answer you gave to 1 Cor 8:6. Did you ever do sentence diagramming in school? If so, you might try applying it to...
  7. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Rom 8:9, But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Just because there is a spirit of God and a spirit of Christ, they are both God? There are no less than 4 verses that talk...
  8. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    "Mystical" - A perfect description of Gnosticism.
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I think scholarship is far better than tradition. Not one single verse you quoted is as clear in saying Jesus is God as John 17:3 and 1 Cor 8:6 are in saying only the Father is not God.
  10. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Erudite? I'm thinking it'll be anything but. It'll probably be John 1:1. Just change the word "logos" into "Jesus" and the subject is settled. It just shows the power of tradition to make the word of God of none effect.
  11. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You know nothing about my deeds or my fruit. Why do you act as though you do? You are a false accuser of the brethren. You should repent. That's all I say on that.
  12. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Was the manna "from heaven" also God? John 6:31 says it too came down from heaven. What is wrong with "our image" referring to the spiritual beings that exist with God? When we see it that way we don't have to explain how Jesus can be God when the scriptures say only the Father is God...
  13. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Funny that you responded to my saying this is not about me by your continuing to talk about me. Have you done any research on 1 Tim 3:16? I didn't make up what I said about it. Virtually all scholars, including trinitarain, know that this verse was changed by English translators to promote the...
  14. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    There is a context of, "with God, all things are possible." Otherwise someone might think God can make one the same as three. Mark 14:36, And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Despite...
  15. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Maybe you haven't noticed, but I'm not talking about myself or my desire to be known as a Bible scholar. You keep wanting to talk about me, but believe me, I am nothing to talk about. How about sticking with the scriptures? The original post was about John 17:3 and 1 Cor 8:6 which clearly say...
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You are absolutely correct in saying there are no real original Greek texts. That's where textual criticism comes into play. Perhaps you could tell me specifically where the Greek I quoted is wrong. I guess all Greek speaking scholars should just keep their mouths shut? They shouldn't share...
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I know. You're absolutely right. Still, they always fall back on the, "God's ways are higher than our ways" as though that is justification enough for whatever nonsense they want to adopt as doctrine. Go figure! But, no matter what, they are all our brothers and sisters and God's children...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In my opinion, the greatest thing about the internet is that it brings huge amounts of knowledge from experts to the common person. The truth is, it is not necessary to be fluent in Greek or Hebrew to gain deep insights to the scriptures. There are lexicons, concordances, interlinear, and other...
  19. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    In the Greek, 1 Tim 3:16 actually says "which was manifested in the flesh..." The "which" refers to "the mystery of godliness." Not the same thing as God Himself. A well known phrase goes, "If you've seen one, you've seen them all." We all know that doesn't mean we've literately seen all of...
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    The NLT is pure translator Trinitarian bias. They totally left out the word "form" which is in every Greek text. If one thing being in the "form" of something means it actually is that something, then Jesus was not God, at least for some time, shortly after his resurrection. Mark 16:12, After...