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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    That's a lot of fancy weaving and bobbing to say that the Father is not the only true God, but that's what the trinity demands since there is no clear cut verse that says "God the Son" as opposed to the 35+ times we see the "the son of God." Think seriously about your statement: "The words...
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Maybe John's pen slipped...he meant to say, "but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is God." I don't know, just trying to help the trinitarian cause. :):(
  3. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    If what you say is true we have a huge problem in the scriptures. In John 17:3 Jesus made a clear declaration that only his Father (Yahweh) is the true God. Paul seconded that with the same clarity in 1 Cor 8:6. They would clearly contradict any verses that say Jesus, the son, is also God...
  4. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    So you meant to say that Jesus is the son of God just because he is called that about 40 times? What a novel concept! Shouldn't the 0 times he is called God the Son mean he is God? I guess that's how the wayward reasoning goes. Don't go trying to make sense out of it. Just accept it by faith...
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    From Strong's Concordance: G2316 θεός theos (the-os') n. 1. (properly, in Greek) a god or deity. a supernatural, powerful entity (real or imagined). 2. (by Hebraism, especially with G3588) God, the Supreme Being, the Creator, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Yahweh by name. 3...
  6. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    It is clear that we have God dwelling within by way of Christ. And yes, we absolutely have a direct connection with God. In fact, God wants us to approach Him with boldness and confidence. Eph 3:11-12, 11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 12 In whom...
  7. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I see what you are saying and I know that is what others also say, but wouldn't you think that if God was really in charge now we would see a much better place? Look at Revelation chapters 20 through 22. It sure paints a different picture of the new earth than what we see now in this present...
  8. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Good points. It reminds me of: 1 Cor 15:28, And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. In the very end Yahweh will be supreme and He'll know how to run a better earth than this one!
  9. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Got it! Sorry for the misunderstanding. You made some good points, but I'm not sure that is really the answer. I know I spoke many things against God before I got saved and I still got saved, so the things I said before my salvation were obviously forgiven, both in this world and in the one to...
  10. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    I think John 10:36 says Jesus is God's son, the one whom God sent to save the world. Jesus did not claim to be God in John 10:36. I don't know how else to take the words, " I am the son of God." I think both Jesus and God understand a son can not be his own father. In fact in John 17:3 Jesus...
  11. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    I think that the unforgivable sin is being born again of the devil's seed, the proverbial "selling your soul to the devil." All birth is the result of seed. Genesis chapter 1 is clear that seed always produces an offspring with the same nature as the parent. Gen 1:11-12, 11 And God said, Let...
  12. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Good point. I'd say guessing about scripture is much closer to 100% wrong than 0%. It seldom works out.
  13. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Very astute observation. I never thought of that before, but you are absolutely right. I wonder why? Maybe Satan has something to do with it? I think so!
  14. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Good verse. Pretty clear cut. I think I'll be for him! :)
  15. Rich R

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost?

    Why can we dis Jesus but not the Holy Ghost? Matt 12:32, And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the [world] to come. Aren't they both...
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Did the LA Rams play the Buffalo Bills in the 2nd century BC? They do tonight, so maybe some things are new? Just goofing around. I know what you mean. Still, the Ancient Near Eastern brain fired quite differently than that of the modern Western mind upon seeing or hearing the word "god." If...
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Oops, I think I just answered someone else's mail. So maybe what follows makes sense, but maybe not! :) No JW. I'm pretty sure they don't believe in the manifestations of the spirit which I do. Also I think they believe Jesus existed from the beginning. I, and many others, think Jesus was born...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Half the world bombs the scriptures. So what? Truth is truth. It's not a numbers game. Still, you piqued my interest. I'll see what others have to say about it. Thanks!
  19. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I assume you are saying that Jesus is God because they are both called a "rock." To the Ancient Near Easterner the word "rock" was used to describe a refuge. They called their gods a rock also. I further assume you would say the same about both being called a savior. Joshua was also called a...
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, they do understand who Jesus is, that he is the son of God. They are also astute enough to understand a son can not be his own Father. I'll give you that. You think you understand who Jesus is more than me. Why can't they do the same? It's a well known fact among serious Biblical scholars...