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  1. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    And you say that without mentioning that I said I too have a thick skull? Cherry picking to make me out as bad as you can. I thought we cleared that up. Come on guy, new information ought to clarify the past. Maybe we run in different circles, but I'm not even close to unique in my views. I...
  2. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    OK. I'll get more specific. I have said that the Gentiles are tangentially involved with Israel, so that would explain John 3:16. However, that doesn't change the fact that Jesus said he come only for Israel and that he sent the Apostles out with precise instructions to go only to Israel. What...
  3. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Usually that phrase in a discussion such as ours means one person has no idea how to get through other's thick skull. Think outside the box and try not to think the worst of someone. OK, but just to be clear, that's not you tucking your tail between your legs and running away? I'm just...
  4. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You can't get past the idea that the Gospels were written to and about Israel and not the Christian church? How does the church being caught up into the air relate to the great white throne? Are we caught up and then stand before standing in front of the throne? That wouldn't make any sense...
  5. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Are you kidding me? Have you seen how many rebuttals I've written? Is that your idea of tucking my tail between my legs and running away? What would you have me do? Should I just say, "Oh, you are 100% right and I'm 100% wrong?" Why don't you do that? You didn't say that. I did. If anyone just...
  6. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    One of the biggest errors inserted into the scriptures is the page in from of Matthew with big red letters proclaiming, "The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ." Matt 10:5-6, 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and...
  7. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Not used to having my view challenged? How can you tell? As a 40 year non-Trinitarian I'm more than used to challenges and how to handle them. Look at my picture. I'm still smiling. Are you exhibiting the correct way to answer to my challenges? If so, what's the difference? Who here is more...
  8. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I give up. You so mangle my words as to make the message unintelligible. And don't try to tell me it's because I don't know how to communicate. The real problem is your pride. Or are you just trying to rattle me? Whatever. You figure it out. I'm sure you have all the answers. :)
  9. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I've never said anything about ethnicity. You've brought it up a few times now, but I don't even know what you're talking about. Where did I deny the church is composed of both Jew and Gentile? I've actually said the church is composed of both Jew and Gentile several times now. I even quoted a...
  10. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    God telling us to resist the devil somehow negates the truth of verse 8. We need to resist him precisely because he is walking about seeking whom he may devour. If the devil was bound God would have no reason to tell us to resist him. Anyway, if you don't see all the nasty stuff that will...
  11. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Look at everything that will happen in Revelation before the 19th chapter. It talks about 65 pound hail stones, about rivers turning into blood, about 1/3 of the world's population gone, etc, etc. These are all part of the wrath which Paul says more than once Christians are spared. Christians...
  12. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I think you either misunderstand or you are just mashing my words in ways that don't make any sense. I said there are such a thing as Jews, Gentiles, and the church. I'm in good company in saying that, namely Paul. 1 Cor 10:32, Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor...
  13. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    1 Pet 5:8, Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Seems like it'd be hard to "walketh about" when bound. Eph 6:11, Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil...
  14. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well, actually a few of the churches in Revelation didn't exist when John wrote, so we can't say those had Jew or Gentile believers. Rev 1:5-6, 5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that...
  15. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Rev 2:4, Nevertheless I have [somewhat] against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Jer 2:2-5, 2 Go and cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine espousals, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness, in...
  16. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I quoted 1 Cor 2:1-2, 1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. I said that Paul could not teach the Corinthians...
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Luke 1:1-2, 1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, 2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; Luke 1:2 does say that Luke and the...
  18. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Really? I think it is actually the other way around. I mean you just gave yet another example of telling me every single post is in error without any explanation whatsoever. Your present reply is your answer to me asking you for something specific about what you said was wrong. In other words...
  19. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    One in Thessalonians where Jesus doesn't actually come all the way down to the earth. He comes in the air and gathers Christians together with him in the air (1 Thes 4:16-17). The other is in Revelation when Jesus comes as King of Kings and Lord of Lord and defeats the devil at Armageddon (Rev...
  20. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Would you care to be more specific. What did I say that is extra-biblical? I think I just quoted a couple of verses and commented on the obvious. Did Paul say he couldn't speak about the mystery to some folks, but he could to others, namely those who were perfect (better look that word up in a...