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  1. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I would guess that God had some reason for using different words. I should point out that the Greek words for "rising" and "resurrection" are related but not identical, for whatever that's worth. I don't think you and I are that far apart. I think our difference lies in the timing of events. At...
  2. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    And this is a 2nd attempt to get you to give me a quote. I could say that you said God is the devil, but I wouldn't be able to quote any actual words that you wrote along those lines.
  3. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    There you go again! You are reading for yourself what Jesus said to somebody else. Do you realize that Jesus was speaking to the same people in Matthew that God told to bring a sacrifice to Him every morning and evening? Why do you act on Matthew while ignoring Leviticus? They are both meant for...
  4. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I said the word "resurrection" is not found in either of those two verses. True or false? Look at the Greek if you want. Maybe it would be better if I told you what it doesn't say, namely, "The dead shall be resurrected incorruptible. "Raise" and "resurrected" are related, but not identical...
  5. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Sorry, but the church was still hid in God when Jesus was here. The church was the mystery that wasn't know until God revealed it to Paul. The church officially began on the day of Pentecost, but it was some time before the significance of that event was totally understood. Acts is a transition...
  6. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm not sure what I said to make you think 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Thes 4-16-17 are different events. But to set the record straight, I do understand them to be describing the same event. However, I don't think that neither Thessalonians nor Corinthians are talking about either of the 2 resurrections...
  7. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Maybe consider that the difference between the OT law and NT grace is not that they had sinful flesh but we don't. We both have sinful flesh and sinful flesh sins. That's just what it does. The difference is that we in the NT have the option of walking by the spirit. We can choose to walk by the...
  8. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well, there is this; John 5:27, And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 1 Cor 15:28, And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all...
  9. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm sorry to keep saying it, but you are really confusing to whom and when God speaks. I exhort you to look into that. You don't have to believe me. There is tons of information out there about the different peoples and times in which God moved. He dealt with different people in different times...
  10. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I do understand the difference between Israel and Judah. There is also a huge difference between them and the church. Could you give me at least one of the 160 verses that say the church is the 10 Northern tribes? I see where God created a new creature composed of both Jew and Gentile (Gal...
  11. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You can't possibly be reading what I write. I said a rising is not a resurrection. That is absolutely true. Look up the two words in a Greek concordance. Now you may not think it significant that God uses words in a precise way, but that does not change the fact that every word is incredibly...
  12. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Part of the doctrine in verse 16 requires that we know to whom God is speaking and when He spoke it. If we get that wrong we end up with wrong doctrine. Lev 1:2, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your...
  13. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Scholarly research will bear out the truth of what I said. I already did it. It's not that difficult. When Paul told the Bereans about the scriptures, they did the research to see if what he said was true or not. The key is that Paul spoke and the Bereans did the research. Paul already knew...
  14. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Not impossible for sure! :) As you said, we can learn things from the Gospel despite the fact they are not written to us (Rom 15:4). But being for our learning does not necessarily mean everything there is meant to be our guide in faith and practice. There is a world of difference between our...
  15. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Not sure how you got to here: from here:
  16. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, not all the seven churches did exist when John wrote. Revelation was rejected for some time precisely because many realized that several of the churches mentioned in Revelation didn't exist at that time. Of course those guys never considered that they would exist in the future, namely when...
  17. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The only scholarly support I have are in the verses themselves. 1 Thess 4:14-18, 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto...
  18. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well, at least we agree with #8. Interesting too that #8 is one where we will no longer have doctrinal differences. We'll see what's what then. Too bad we can't make bets as to who was right and who was wrong about things when we were down here. Lot's of folks would be quite wealthy! :)
  19. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    John 5:21-22, 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. 22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, What does this have to do with the order of events in the end times? How does it say...
  20. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Have you ever noticed that 1 Thessalonians 4 doesn't say Jesus comes down to earth? I says we will meet him in the air. Is that significant? I think it is. I think it is highly significant. You asked if Thessalonians 4 doesn't talk about a resurrection. You said yes. My Bible says Christians...