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    Just wanted to talk about Christian, bible, and stuff like that.

    Message boards are rough for new converts. You never know what you're getting into. I have to say kudos to Redeemed86 for catching this problem before it got too far.
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Vengle, I think the problem here is that you really don't understand what I'm asking. I'll put it another way. Can an anarthrous occurrence of theos refer to Yaweh? This all pertains to John 1:1, which I am putting aside for now. I want to deal with what you said below. Good. Then you should...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    That has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked you Vengle. Does "theos" only refer to Yahweh when it is preceded by the definite article?
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    Christ as the firstborn

    I'll take that as "I don't know."
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    Christ as the firstborn

    That's quite a red herring you have there. I didn't say you were a JW. I asked if you were going to take the standard JW/Unitarian position on the word "theos." How about a straight answer now?
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    Teach Me About Christianity!

    I'm afraid Jorry is long gone. This thread started and ended almost a year ago.
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    Christ as the firstborn

    I don't see an answer from either one of you. It's a valid question because it comes up constantly in discussions between Unitarians and Trinitarians. I'll ask again. There are 3 possible valid answers. Yes, no, and I don't know. There's no trickery here. I just want to know if you guys are...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    I know I said tomorrow, but a question is in order before I retire. Insight and Vengle, Does "theos" only refer to Yahweh when it is preceded by the direct article?
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Well it looks like you guys are avoiding this challenge like the plague, and no wonder. There's no way around it. Let's recap. Yesterday we saw how the writer to the Hebrews applies a portion of a Psalm about Yahweh to the Son. Today we see that the Son requests to have back the glory that he...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Once again you fail to answer. We're not talking about glory Christ would receive for faithful service during his incarnation. Once again, God says that he will give his glory to no other. Jesus requests the glory that he had with the Father before the world began. This would be blasphemous for...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    That's not an answer. That's a dodge. Here it is again. Focus. Isa 42:8 I am the LORD; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Isa 48:11 For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another. Joh...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    The throne of the Lord means the throne that God gave him as vice-regent. Was God not the ultimate authority of Israel's theocracy? Yes? Did David's or Solomon's rule extend beyond Israel? No? Then neither of them sat on God's throne in the sense that you take it. Let's dispense with this silly...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Those whom God places in human government are mere vassals. An inferior is never said to sit on a superiors' throne in human government. Likewise, the Bible never speaks of a delegate sitting on God's throne. To sit on God's throne would mean that the delegate or vassal would wield the full...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Yes, God ordains all human authority. He delagates power to whomever he wishes. Where exactly does this verse say that those who are given power and authority in human affairs sit of "God's throne?" This verse is saying the same as Romans 13. God delagates power to whomever he wishes. Again...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Chapter and verse please.
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Chapter and verse please.
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Since Vengle failed to answer my challenge, I'll give you the opportunity. Chapter and verse please.
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Where exactly does your quote even come close to saying that God makes himself a creature's seat or throne?
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    Christ as the firstborn

    That is the most ridiculous translation I've ever seen. God makes himself "a seat" for a creature? What nonsense. Your translation also has God referring to himself in the third person. This is nothing but a desperate attempt to get around the clear teaching of Scripture. Where does Scripture...
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    Christ as the firstborn

    Nice try Insight, but your answer ignores the greater context of Hebrews 1:8. Heb 1:8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Heb 1:9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your...