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No, Jesus Christ is the Creator, whether you will admit it is another thing! Col. 1:16-17 "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him...

Well, what was I thinking? Maybe I addressed the wrong person with this, you think? This is too much for an "another Jesus" believer, especially when he's reading another Bible!

No, Jesus is not the Father, they are two distinct beings, but it is much more complicated. The relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, cannot be explained, in my opinion. It's from another realm and the Scripture takes no effort to explain it. The reason for all of this...

Another example of "traditions of men" not found in Scripture. Unless the Pope is God. Is he God, theefaith?

It's telling the trinitarian ran out of arguments. So, he has to invoke all kinds of irrelevant Scripture, hoping something sticks. This thread is about Col 1:16. There really is no 'ultimate' answer to why questions. We can have fun speculating. But why does it matter? This was the basic...

You would have to be Christ to know what that is! He is the only One who this has happened to, as far as us humans know. The idea is that Christ for sure existed in heaven before the incarnation in the form of God, and became the Suffering Servant in the form of man. His existence was from the...

Did not Paul say that Christ made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Himself the form of a servant? Who do you think Christ was before His incarnation? Why did He say, "glorify me with the glory I had with You before the world was?" That goes back to before Gen. 1:1, and you say He was...

Peter was not the head of the Church! At the Council of Jerusalem, when the Apostles came together with the Church to decide what would be done with the Gentiles who were being saved, would they be bound to the Law of Moses? All the apostles spoke, including Peter, but it was James who had the...

"Express image" is used only one time in Scripture, Heb. 1:3. It can be taken literally or figuratively, which one is correct? Meaning that Christ is the exact reproduction of God the Father in visual image, or the exact reproduction in character and essence. The Scripture says that we have...

What I'm saying is that the change from the form which He existed in heaven, to the existence of man on earth, was a change from Deity to that of a man, who set aside His expression of deity, but could not change the fact He is deity. If you take in context Phil 2:6-7, which most don't, there...

The RCC is wrong as usual concerning Christ saying, "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church." It was Peter's answer to Christ' question that was the rock, not Peter, that He would build His Church. Christ asked Peter, "who do you say that I am," and Peter said, "You are the...

LOL, nowhere in Scripture is the apostleship handed off to continue! Paul was the master church builder and said that THE PASTOR appointed to the individual Church is the overseer of his flock to watch over their souls. This is more "traditions of men" created by the RCC! These "traditions"...

From the beginning in the Garden of Eden man has been saved by faith in the Messiah (Christ). When Adam and Eve committed the first sin, God provided animal skins to cover them, those animals shed their blood which represents the shedding of blood by Christ for mankind. This is what the animal...

That is a good question, Peterlag! It's in the Greek dictionary for everyone to read, and should be read. The Greek word for "form" is "morphe" and refers to outward appearance in general. It is only used 3 times in the New Testament. In Mark 16:12, it is used as "another form" when Christ'...

You were replacing a person (Christ) and His attributes, nature, and character, with a drivers license. Not a good choice! Being in the "form of God" is much more than you acknowledge.

I recommend that you read a variety of commentary from the great theologians and compare it to what Scripture is saying for the truth. And a little less of the books from the so-called scholars. You are right, I do have a closed mind on the pre-existence of Christ, and the knowledge of the...

OK, I'll let it go, but I don't agree with them whoever they are. One thing is for sure, John knew when he wrote, "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." If that's not pre-existence, ain't no cows in Texas.

Show me what was written in Scripture that leans you toward them (the authors) not knowing of the pre-existence of Christ.

Well, I wish the fellow wasn't dead, so I could tell him that Begotten is referring to His humanity, God becoming man. From one form of being to another. As I have shown you they had to know of His pre-existence.

I would like to ask that guy some questions. For example, how could they not know of His pre-existence when all the disciples were standing there and heard Him say, "now Father glorify me with the glory I had with You before the world was?