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  1. Naomi25

    Poll: Tattoo art - Christian perspectives: Fight it? Ignore it? appreciate/embrace it?

    Actually, I can’t remember if I told my daughter…I suspect I probably did.
  2. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Perhaps. However, I would caution the notion that just because God seems to have Paul teach that Jewish people will be bought back to him, or ‘grafted back onto the tree’ after the times of the Gentiles are complete, that that automatically means there is a “different program”, for lack of a...
  3. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    No, indeed it does not, but it does prove the bible uses it in such a manner. As far as context goes, Revelation is classed as an apocalyptic book, which relies heavily on symbolism. Numbers play a fairly heavy role in that symbolism; seven, for example, is seen throughout the book so many...
  4. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    I wasn’t claiming they had. But every legitimate doctrine HAS a need, or explanation for it. No? So, those claiming an earthly Millennium, ought to be able to tell me what it is. ‘Clear’ is not something that has ever been used to describe Revelation. And, according to the principle of letting...
  5. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    And how does one submit to the Holy Spirit? Romans 3:9-12 [9] What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, [10] as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; [11] no one understands...
  6. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Fine, let’s look directly at the passage and see what it says. John 11:38-44 [38] Then Jesus, deeply moved again, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. [39] Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will...
  7. Naomi25

    World Alert: 10 Trends point to the End

    I’m not sure about the Preterist camp, but theres actually a fair bit of variety within the Amil camp. I suppose there are key things we tend to agree with…like a realised Millennium, but outside of that, I’ve heard great differences in how Amil folks approach things. For myself, while I’d...
  8. Naomi25

    Jesus Second Coming

    Well…I think it also might be okay to hope for Christ’s return! I know, as a Dispensationalists you think that means heaven too…after the Rapture. But for me, his return would see us fundamentally skip heaven, and move into a new earth and new Jerusalem. I think we can probably say that both...
  9. Naomi25

    6 Stories

    Lol! Nearly, but thankfully, t’was just terrible understanding on my part!
  10. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    I wasn’t speaking of the “Dispensations”. I wasn't speaking of ‘the same people’…unless you count Christ and Satan. I was suggesting the idea that salvational history having to repeat at least 2 more times before the ‘end, end’ is not particularly logical, and I don’t see it in scripture. And to...
  11. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Please show me WHERE it tells us that Lazarus was raised in an imperishable body? In point of fact, please also display where it shows us he both lived here on a fallen earth in that resurrection body, and then was taken to heaven at…some point…after being alive down here. The fact is, you...
  12. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Well, forgive me if I misunderstood you, that is never my intention. However, when looking back at what you posted, I’m still stretched to understand what else you meant by it. You said:”We do not do any of the work. That is my point. The body does not change when we accept the Atonement. Our...
  13. Naomi25

    World Alert: 10 Trends point to the End

    I’m not sure its entirely accurate to say that I don’t want ‘to even consider’ regarding current events. I say “newspaper exegesis” and mean by it, forming ones doctrinal beliefs from current events. In other words, using current events in place of a biblical understanding of how things would...
  14. Naomi25

    6 Stories

    Ah. Okay…I get you now. And, actually, I thoroughly agree. About Revelation. I don’t know that I’ve actually broken the book into ‘stories’ as you have, but to my understanding, there are too many theophanies within it to be able to read it as chronological, ending with Christ’s return. If I...
  15. Naomi25

    6 Stories

    I’m sorry, but, huh? “Imagine trying to interpret Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; if your presumption was that they were 4 parts of just a single story.” They ARE the same story! They differ because different people are telling the story, but undoubtably they are still the same story…Jesus’s...
  16. Naomi25

    Jesus Second Coming

    The Christian is not looking forward to an afterlife. Our hope is in resurrected life. In other words we don’t look for a ‘spiritual’ life after death. The bible teaches that at Christ’s return, he makes all things new. That includes us, but also the cosmos. We are to live on a new Earth, one...
  17. Naomi25

    World Alert: 10 Trends point to the End

    That’s a decent run down of the craziness of the world! I think, as bible studying people, we all must come to an understanding of how we see eschatological truths playing out. Jesus scolded the Pharisees for not being able to interpret the times, so there is, perhaps, a level of expectation...
  18. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Indeed. We live in a world where ‘logic’ can be found and plotted through the most inane and outrageously false territories. If we are going to be people of the Word, we need to base our ideas AND our logic firmly in what can be found in scripture. Scripture ought to lead us to our...
  19. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Is it any more ‘logical’ to have salvational history repeat itself? And when I say ‘salvational history’ I’m not talking foreshadowing events. I’m talking about trying to force God’s plan to keep repeating. For example. The bible tells us a story, essentially. Mankind was made, all was good...
  20. Naomi25

    Why I believe in the rapture.

    Do you even know what “first fruits” of a harvest means? The harvest would be bought in, in stages. The first fruits were the parts of the crop that would come off first, usually the choicest parts of the crop. The farmer would be overjoyed at the First fruits, because a good first fruits meant...