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I would need a lot more information to credit this claim with some weight.

Sorry please refer me to the post...

That sounds like OSAS - careful...

You realise that Paul's audience included Wheat and Tares. The if's applied to a mixture of adherents some of whom left the fellowship and were lost to legalism among other things. I am saying that assurance for those truely born again has no if's. John confirmed this in 1 John 5. God has...

What does that prove exactly ? Folks said I was beyond salvation...

OSAS does not cause people to think they have the Holy Spirit when they don't. The discussion then needs to be about - what is born again...

We walk in His Works because we are saved. We are not saved because we walk in works.

Well Jeremiah spoke directly about this... Jer 32 40 I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts, so that they will not turn away from Me.

I said... ↑ The indwelling presence of the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord seals against rejecting Christ. You said... "Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. That is the crux of whether or not OSAS is true. " You sound unsure so here is a scripture that confirms it. Jeremiah speaking of the New...

Because you are not sure IF you will hold firmly to the Word.

OK I am hearing you. I also understand that what we do is often for the benefit of readers. Keep up the good work.

Yes I am aware of all that... but I am patient with him - Jesus is a good listener.

Sorry can you explain what you mean and refer to my posts if possible.

Right... in the first case His indwelling presence in those truely born again will constrain them. When we are faithless He is faithful because He cannot deny Himself - such is the compassion of Christ.

The indwelling presence of the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord seals against rejecting Christ.

If... That is not assurance. "It is the OSAS belief that is not sure about their salvation in the future because they can't even know for sure if they are saved today... Really ??? Sorry but that claim doesn't seem to make any sense - how do you arrive at that conclusion? Please forgive me...

You claims seem to relate to now, but how can you be sure of your salvation in the future?

Yes you are right - it isn't the whole story because sin has consequences. If you consider God's perspective - The Law was given to provide boundaries of behaviour for their own good. But this was not salvific. Faith was always the essential element regarding eternal consequences. Similarly...

He also teaches how to restore those who fell into sin - and didn't consider them as 'of the devil' but cautioned those correcting them to proceed with humble caution in case they fell into sin as well. So I look for humility when listening to folks expound the Word and assume the role of...

Carl Emerson said: ↑ The Power of sin is broken for the one who is born again - Jesus broke it on the Cross. 1 Cor 15 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the Law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us...