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So...I have no choice but to be wicked? Hmmm...I guess scripture disagrees. Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, 2 but whose delight is in the law of the Lord, and who meditates on his...

Christians do sin, but it's not who we are. It's not our identity. We are actually Saints that are imperfect.

Hmm..yeah censorship is ramping up on Facebook, but I see lots of Bible verses posted every day there.

What? That the Jews rejected him by and large or that some do accept him as Messiah? [L For] I am not ashamed of the ·Good News [Gospel], because it is the power God uses to save everyone who believes—to save the Jews first, and then to save ·Gentiles [L the Greeks; C here meaning anyone who...

He was born Jewish. I don't think anyone denies that. They deny he was their messiah, but some Jews are Christian too.

No argument here. However, being sinners and being totally depraved are very different.

You have not answered any of my objections, so they still stand. All you offer are boring insults.

How does that hep you? And why are Universalists so insulting if they believe everyone is God's chosen?

Does any verse actually say this?

John 19:11 - Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power [at all] against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. Matthew 12:31 - Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the...

Then all verses about falling away are cut from your Bible?

The alternative is to read the scriptures in context. Why would you think the verse means everyone is included in children of God, when there's so many verses saying otherwise?

Universal atonement, not universal acceptance of that atonement. Again quit cherry picking verses.

Not at all. Even just picking out that verse alone doesn't suggest universalism.

How does this verse confirm universalism? Look at how the chapter begins: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, " Who is Paul talking about here? Not every human that ever lived but: "the children of God" I consider that our present sufferings are not...

Does being predestined to inherit these blessings as believers mean we can't choose to become unbelievers and lose our inheritance? Because the Bible has plenty of warning about that also.

Oh, so you are a compatibilist. Why didn't you just say so? You just shrug and say two opposites are both true. Yeah, I tried that. It didn't work for me. "We" are chosen in Christ before the world was founded. "We" being whosoever will believe. Individuals are not chosen. So, how simple it...

Well, now I'm totally confused about what you actually believe. Because first, you say there's no free will and now you say we aren't predestined to salvation or damnation. You seem to be wanting to have your cake and eat it too. If we are not predestined to one or the other, then we must have...

Amen! That's exactly what limited atonement is. Of course, it doesn't really exist.

But then, what do you do with David comparing the wicked to the righteous? Do you assume the righteous are not born in sin? This is where limited atonement leads a person, actually, to believing some of just born to be wicked and some born to be saved.