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  1. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Except the one up in the air cannot be the one on the earth. Neither for Him nor us. You do not get to wave one away. Holy people exist after the Rapture.
  2. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Neither were 3 1/2 years before Jesus returned to earth. Except the time we go up in the air cannot be the same time we return from the air. Thes 4? You don't mean 1 Thes 4? If so, perhaps you did a typo? (as obviously that is about Him coming to get us) Looking at Dan 8 we see this...
  3. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Not even close. Total pet doctrine that is unsupportable.
  4. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Yet where is a verse that says 'second coming'? Let's see it if you didn't make it up. Then we can look at that. Unless in the air is the same as not in the air at all, you have no point whatsoever. You conflate events and spam verses you cannot discuss or defend.
  5. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    So you think the abomination of desolation was history. OK Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time...
  6. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Says who? The second coming return to earth is one event. The coming to gather the dead and living believers to be with Him is another event. There is no fusing the two. Those who try to weld them together inside their heads have a confused blob of misunderstanding and jumbled screws loose there...
  7. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Since we are not appointed to the wrath in the end, any denial is worthless. Just because Jesus promises to take us out before the time of trouble unlike any other in history does not mean it is the easy way out. It is His way out. The only way out. The plan. The rescue. The hope of ages. A...
  8. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    So those who claim the 3.5 years of His ministry is the fulfillment of Dan 9 are talking through their hat. OK
  9. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    So the prophesy if interpreted as you prefer would be useless in having people know that Jesus was here at a certain time. OK.
  10. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Since He is revealed before the wrath it is not talking about it as was pointed out. Your calling correction an accusation is wrong.
  11. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    The time we are given from the abomination till the end is 1260 days. Can you prove that the ministry of Jesus was 1260 days?
  12. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    1 peter 4:12 is not related to the end time. Claiming that it is shows you have not the ability to discern what is what regarding the Tribulation period. Marriage? Rewarding them finally? Having eternal bodies like His as we were promised? Being where He is in His Father's house as...
  13. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Impossible. Daniel 12:1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the...
  14. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Nope Obviously that is not the Rapture but the return to earth of Christ. Again, not when He meets us in the air. Obviously that is when He lands back on the earth And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord 's house shall be established in...
  15. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Not sure what you think what you posted says. It seems you are placing yourself in the category of those who are clueless that Dan 9 gave the exact time till Jesus was to come? Big surprise there.
  16. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Is this an attempt to make it sound as if you know the Rapture is not before the wrath? Empty claim colored with self righteous snarky attitude. No. Nothing close to that. The opposite actually. Your scripture that says God won't meet us in the air but be on earth while we are in the air...
  17. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    That was mentioned in regards to giving the exact time Jesus would be here. Try to focus and debate with honesty. Insane claim you could never support Not all! The ones in the tribulation are here after the Bride goes up in the air. You conflate events in a bullish way No thousands of years...
  18. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Unless you show that the two witnesses etc etc etc are all before the Rapture, you have no point. One coming to the earth. One coming in the air. He does not come to the earth at the Gathering in the air according to the bible. Why pretend? Rather than getting shrill and accusatory and...
  19. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    I know. However name a single verse that says what you were asked? You see He expects us to search stuff out. For example He expected people to know that Scripture said when He would be here, so people should have known Dan 9 - that it was time. Funny that some posters here are still clueless on...
  20. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Why say such ignorant things? Of course there are multitudes mentioned after the wrath. There are also oodles of witnesses including angels in the sky witnessing. Again a foolish false statement with zero connection to the topic or reality. I just pointed out how the gospel is preached in...