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Well, I suppose it shows how people end up with that perspective. I...don't think I can find myself landing there, when I consider that whole 'story' of scripture. The way the NT argues so hard for a single people of God under the saving grace of Christ...indeed, even though there are separate...

Quick question: It's a bit interesting, don't you think, that you think "Israel" gets to rule over the Gentiles, when Jesus actually tells us something different in the NT: Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who...

Yes, I remember our conversation. You say you're not suggesting 'waving through the unrepentant', but unless I'm gravely misunderstanding you (which is always possible), there does seem to be a bit of 'if/then' happening. And by that I mean, you say that 'if' people unrepentant in THIS life are...

He said, scolding me by quoting a single verse and giving his opinion of it in response. Pot....Kettle. Goose....gander. You see where I'm going here. What makes YOUR 'single' verse and opinion on it more valid than mine? Because its YOUR opinion? And, by the way, I most certainly did NOT give...

The passage in question: Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and...

Lol! Yes, I can imagine. There are some weeks where it feels impossible to find time to 'get online'...and if you do, your mind is whirling from all you do, it can sometimes be hard to pick up the threads of conversation. And from my part...fairly standard covenantal teaching. It used to bug me...

Well, if you actually read what I wrote, I said "represented", not 'are'. That said, there are plenty of people who suggest just that. The problem with putting an EXACT label on who the 24 elders are is that the description of them is somewhat ambiguous. Some claim they must be angels, and yet...

Interesting, sure, surprising, no. We see at the beginning of the book that the 12 tribes and 12 apostles are represented in the 24 thrones around God's throne. In a book whose general purpose is to 'sum up' the divine purpose of God's salvific plan, it should not surprise anyone that God points...

Once again; most 'covenantal theologians' I know do NOT believe that the promises have been 'transferred' to the Church. They believe that the Church has been grafted into the Olive Tree which IS Israel. And what IS Israel, according to Romans 11? Those who are attached to the holy root....Jesus...

Its nice of you to imply I have not addressed this issue; If you would look back over our conversation, you will see that I have, indeed, dealt with 'reconciling' the two resurrections...and, as I said, I do so from scriptures primarily outside of Revelation. See post #533

Well, even though there is some difference in stance in eschatology, one would hope we aren't too far apart on most of the essentials...given they are essentials!

True, and extremely precious at that!

This is true. That's why I base my views on Amillennialism mostly on passages outside of Revelation. Rev 20 is just 'cream on top', if you like.

I'm sorry, but :D You think I'm "tucking my tail"? Sweetie, I'm just sick of the whiplash I was getting from your illogical and completely inconsistent statements, because oh boy, were they! Here's the deal; I don't care if you think Amillennialism is legit or not, or if I convinced you. My...

You want to break down what is 'really' possible regarding God's word and nothing else? Fine; as do I. But in that case, you ought to be asking yourself more about what and how Christ himself spoke about HIS Kingdom, rather than a single passage in an apocalyptic book. And by that I mean: Christ...

Well, considering most women have their ears pierced, I suppose that's so.

He says, proving my exact point. I didn't say there were little people in the text telling everyone to interpret symbolically. Or people whispering over their shoulders as they read. I said they like to 'be told to interpret symbolically...OFTEN BY the fact that there is the explanation of the...

You know...inevitably, in every conversation, one reaches a point where one has had enough. Clearly you will not be reasoned with or convinced, no matter what or how I present scripture... which is your due. And I don't feel a single thing you've given has been logical or faithful to God's word...

Once again...I'm not arguing against a time in history where tribulation will get back. Or that its even call a time of tribulation, or distress, or trouble, or whatever name you can dig up. I'm saying that as Christians, we are TOLD to expect tribulation, trial, hardship, persecution...our...

Forgive me, but...why would you insert Rev 6 INTO the middle of the Matt 24 passage? With absolute no indication you were doing so. Someone not familiar with either texts would have easily assumed that you were quoting Rev 6 as ending in "for then shall be great tribulation", which is just...