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It's easy to accuse others of no growth or understanding. But you have not shown how the clear text means something other than it plainly says. 2 Corinthians 1:1 (KJV) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with...

I added this maybe as you were preparing your last response... 2 Corinthians 1:1 (KJV) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia: Ephesians 1:1 (KJV) Paul, an apostle of...

Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1Co 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon...

Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for...

No job is too good to allow the truth to be silenced or compromised.This is a stark reality we are increasingly facing and we need to be prepared.

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A non answer. You can't address the passages I gave you but instead resorted to some pre-packaged response. That's fine, your choice. When you are ready to address the passages, just let me know.

So, God's promise of setting in their hearts a new spirit and His law, was really not anything new. Maybe you should reread carefully... This is also explained in the Book of Hebrews... For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will...

Can you show me where the OT saints were born again? Or was this prophecy set for a better covenant in the future?? But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts...

I agree with the born again aspect and tend not to hold that the OT saints were born again. Anyhow, Jesus said in Mat 16:18, "I WILL BUILD my Church indicating a future time (unless build has the connotation of assemble, thereby include OT believers). But assuming it was a future entity, I see...

Actually, the Church (ekklesia) are the 'called out' ones of the Lord. The word 'con-gregation' implies 'gathering together' sort of like the word 'syn-agogue' where members are 'brought together'. In either case, ek (out of) is different from 'con' (with) or 'syn'(drawn together).

The purpose of the question centers around 'when did the Church begin?", which has been the issue the last couple of pages. There are different schools of dispensationalists, some say Pentecost, some Acts 9, others Acts 28 etc. I am simply proposing that it began at Calvary, due to Acts 20:28...

Read Acts 20:28 and ask your self, 'If the Church began at Pentecost, how is it that Jesus purchased/obtained it with His blood at Calvary?'

I just reread the OP and couldn't see the 'Why' for the obsession for posting about tatoos on many forums. But, be it as it may, it's not an important topic to me, so don't feel compelled to answer. I was just curious, maybe bored lol.

Could you please explain this verse? How can you purchase something that doesn't yet exist, and if it did exist then Pentecost was too late to say it 'began'. I can only conclude that it began at least at Calvary, if not earlier. Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over...

@farouk , I don't understand, what is this obsession with tatoos? Are you a tatoo artist, or? I have seen you on other forums constantly bringing up the topic of tatoos. Forgive me, if my assumption is wrong, but curiosity got the best of me.

Could you address the phrase, 'which He purchased (obtained) with His own blood'? How can He 'purchase' or 'obtain' something that does not exist? When He purchased it at Calvary, can't we say at least it then began (if not earlier)? περιποιέω. 1aor. mid. περιεποιησάμην; only middle in the NT...

Yes as all things are eternal in God's mind. But I truly am speaking in time and space, just as others who argue the Church began in Acts 2,Acts 9 or Acts 28. I am speaking in those terms. Maybe 'conceived' wasn't the best word, how about 'first gestated'? It did give birth to the preaching...

Hi Charity, I understand and agree with the concept of 'mystery' and the ones Paul had revealed in his ministry. I had put forward Acts 20:28 with an explanation of why I saw the Church beginning at Calvary and wondering if you had a better explanation. That was all.

Hi Charity, I believe what Paul spoke in Acts 20:28 was a Divine Revelation given to Paul 'revealing' when the Church was purchased and 'obtained' aka redeemed. You don't obtain or purchase something that doesn't exist. One could say, the Church was conceived at Calvary, birthed at Pentecost...