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I don't know that it's necessarily an 'either/or' sort of thing. God upholds the laws upon which science is built. Therefore I don't think science cancels out scripture or vice versa. And yes, I do recognize that Adam/Eve may not have been the first/only humans created. I haven't given the...

Please note that I'm not arguing for a 6000yr earth, or even believing in one....only discussing with Keraz HIS belief in it. But thanks for this info...interesting!

well, perhaps it’s merely coincidence that the Jewish calendar/expectation lines up in a remarkably similar manner. May I ask a question? If, in truth, human history only goes back to about 3970.5BC years, how do you explain some of the oldest cuneiform and hieroglyphics texts being 3400BC...

I confess, I am challenged when it comes to figures and maths. But, I can track with most of that. It appears...correct me if I'm wrong...that you're basically taking the stance of the Jewish calendar, right? They think that 'creation' was around the late 3-thousands BC. And I think they believe...

Forgive me, but I don't see Isa 28:10 telling us anything even remotely connected to Revelation or the order of prophecies that occur within. Is 28 seems to be about the wastage of the people and their inability to receive instruction from God. If you have some startling evidence that can...

I don't disagree that immortality will come at the opening of the book of life...or that it occurs after the Millennium. I also agree that it is completely illogical for mortals and immortals to be living side by side; there is no biblical basis for it. And I also agree that the prophecies given...

Yes, I agree it happens 'after' the Millennium. The problem comes when people start reading their preconceived notions about what the Millennium IS into these passages. And it isn't 'assumption' when the passage outright tells it occurs 'when Jesus comes': But each in his own order: Christ the...

With respect, I don't think this is as valid a point of separation as people attempt to make it. If 'Church' and 'Saint' were as different in Revelation as they are portrayed to be, then it stands to reason, logically, that we could apply these differences elsewhere in the NT. For example: to...

And the basic notion that humans are faulty and are notoriously BAD at picking and choosing things they do or don't like or do or don't suit them has no never mind in any of that. You remember 'sin', right? You remember this verse, right: Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things...

Im sorry, not exactly sure of your point here. To clarify, I know what a Saint is...it's clearly defined in scripture as someone who follows Christ and belongs to God, who perseveres even to the point of death. My conversation with Taken, he was asking to prove that there were Christians in...

Ah, I see. So, you justify being rude because you tell yourself you're standing up for 'truth'. Truth is good, truth is essential. But part of 'truth' is love, and kindness, and patience and understanding. Without those things...you're just a clashing gong.

Well, if you read my post again, you will note I never actually say that "the Lord will rapture his people to heaven". But, if my statement confused you, I'll explain it again, showing the scriptures this time: But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who...

"... you swallowed the lie..." Just for reference: I don't believe in a literal 7 year period. I use it as framework when speaking to Dispensationalists or Premill's as that is what they recognize and makes the conversation easier if you start at a point they know. So, I was not "lying". I...

And back in the day there were Jews walking around calling themselves Jews, safe in their circumcision, when Paul up and tells them that there circumcision meant nothing unless their hearts were also circumcised. So Jews weren't Jews and non-Jews WERE Jews. My point being...PAUL'S point being...

So, you're basically saying you have final say in regards to what scripture 'applies' to you. In other words...if you don't particularly like the Church authority you're supposed to sit under, you can give yourself a pass. With 'Gods okay' of course. Which no one else could possibly back...

You say "the converted have NOT been appointed to Tribulation or God's Wrath". You are half right. We are not appointed to God's wrath. But Tribulation? That we are promised plenty of. Matthew 24:9 - “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by...

Except most bibles will refer Rev 15:2 right back to Rev 12:11, and its easy to see why: And I saw what appeared to be a sea of glass mingled with fire—and also those who had conquered the beast and its image and the number of its name, standing beside the sea of glass with harps of God in...

You asked what we would be doing during the last '7' years here. So, in point of fact, it is YOU who have defined who the US is. I was merely answering your question. Right. You're the guy who has a thing about the specific terminology of "those of us who follow Christ". I don't particularly...

Quit trying to make other people prove YOUR idea false, especially before you've even attempted to prove it correct in the first place. As i've mentioned before...and you rather neatly dodged...the onus is upon YOU to back up your claims. When you make zero attempt to, no one needs spend one...

And that was a very...bizarre word for you to choose to focus on to 'disagree' with. Yes "us" is a general term, it was meant to be. Can you deny that Revelation shows, repeatedly that Christians are martyred for their faith, but by their very death they actually are triumphing over their...