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  1. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    This is what happens during the Great Tribulation. If the days were not cut short, there would be no flesh alive to be raptured. All those raptured to salvation would have to rise from the dead. Matthew 24 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world...
  2. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    This verse in Isaiah 34 is the 6th seal in Revelation. Isaiah 34 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. Revelation...
  3. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Yes. No Sir. The great tribulation is over before the trumpets of wrath begin. Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the second harvest. You are calling great tribulation and the wrath of God the same thing. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. It begins after the 6th seal. The tribulation is over...
  4. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    This is not correct. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. He comes in power and glory but remains in the clouds for the gathering from heaven and earth (The harvest of Revelation 14) The tribulation is over when Jesus comes at the 6th seal as the days of the...
  5. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    No. This is not the foolish virgins that come out of great tribulation. This is talking about the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth that have had their blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. You have to understand that those 144,000 that are sealed...
  6. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    No sir. The 144,000 are sealed BEFORE the great tribulation. You need simple logic to understand this. You need to take the information from Revelation 14 to understand the order of events. This is the great tribulation. This occurs at the 5th seal. Again, when you are reading Revelation 13 and...
  7. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    I didn't. Douggg said that there are 45 days for the armies of the earth to stage for Armageddon. I told him this is not correct. Jesus returns before the tribulation..............pretribulation rapture. The Church is gone to heaven. And part of Israel has its blindness removed. This is the...
  8. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    This cannot be correct. The great tribulation is OVER at the 6th. Then there is 30 minutes before wrath begins. Wrath is one year. Those 45 days have nothing to do with the events during the wrath of God.
  9. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Douggg, We see the great tribulation in Matthew 24 and then we see in Matthew 24 that the tribulation of those days is over. I have no idea how you can conclude with these two pieces of scripture that the great tribulation is not over. What is written is the truth. The great tribulation is...
  10. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Jesus will return with the armies of heaven at the end of the trumpets for Armageddon and to set up His kingdom. Jesus returns in Matthew 24 which occurs at the 6th seal, which seen in Rev 14 Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son...
  11. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Jesus returns to the earth at the 6th trumpet and at the 6th vial, I would think. These are the same timeframe which is the wrath of God. We do know for sure that Jesus has returned at the 7th trumpet and 7th vial............again these are the same timeframe...........the end of the wrath of God.
  12. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Here is how we know the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal and is not when Jesus returns on white horses. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and...
  13. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Don't you see the Lord on the cloud and sending His angels to gather the righteous. So, it is a harvest. Here is who is harvested from the earth. They are singing the song of Moses so we know that it is the twelve tribes across the earth. Revelation 15 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass...
  14. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Here is what happens at the 6th seal. Rev 6 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of...
  15. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Negative. Jesus goes to heaven for the marriage supper. Why do you think there is a great multitude in heaven in Rev 7 after the 6th seal. All are going to the marriage supper which we see in Revelation 19 The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal.....................immediately after the...
  16. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Jesus does not return to the earth in step 3. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is not Jesus coming to the earth. It is the second coming as all eyes will see the coming of the Lord. But He will remain in the clouds and then return to heaven for the marriage supper. The second advent is when...
  17. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Here is the result of the 6th seal harvest. Revelation 7 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10...
  18. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    It is all a 6th seal event Douggg Jesus DOES NOT descend to the earth at the 6th seal, he remains in the clouds. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. The tribulation of those days is the great tribulation Contrary to what is commonly taught, the tribulation is OVER...
  19. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    OK Douggg, Forget these 45 days. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24:30 is immediately after the tribulation. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of...
  20. The Light

    False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

    Sweet................................, you still are confused about the 144,000 being redeemed from the earth So, you haven't grasped what first fruits are and what redeemed FROM the earth means. Also you can't comprehend where the throne of God is. Hint 2 It's not on the earth You tell me my...