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Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Clearly Jesus wasn't actually slain until the early 1st century. Until then it was only in God's mind. This is a good example of...

I appreciate you kind words. It will indeed shake out in the end. As you also appeared to say, I think the trinity is confusing indeed, whereas a son not being his own father is a very simple, easily grasped, concept. We do it all the time without thought. Regarding Mr Smith; I'm not sure that...

As a believer in the true oneness of God, thereby denying the trinity, I'm called many rather unsavory names. Perhaps "rank heretic" is most common. So who is Jesus to a "rank heretic?" In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb. In Leviticus he is the...

Who is Jesus to a "rank heretic?" In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb. In Leviticus he is the High Priest. In Numbers he is the star to rise out of Jacob. In Deuteronomy he is the two laws: Love God and love your neighbor. In Joshua he is the...

I never doubted the deity of Christ any more than I deny the deity of all born again believers. 2 Pet 1:4, Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the...

One that caused a s...storm! :) What's there now is not at all what I originally posted. Basically, it was about Jesus not being God. Although I believe he is the son of God, and therefor not God Himself, I don't want to cause offense to those who think differently about that. I understand it...

What exactly does, "coming down from heaven" mean? Specifically, what did it mean to the ancient Jewish people? It's not the same as we in the modern West think. No. But, I'll look at it anyway. :) Check out "the host of heaven." Basically, God created many angels and other spirit beings...

You are looking at pre-existance from our modern Western point of view. Maybe you didn't catch it, but I did offer a different view, namely, how the ancient Jews viewed pre-existance. It was Greeks, notably Plato, that spoke of the immortal soul. That was a radical departure from the view held...

To be born again and be a Christian one must confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9). I did that, so I am a Christian. If you look, I've quoted many verses that would make the trinity impossible, 1 Cor 8:6 being but one: 1Cor 8:6, But to us...

I see your point and it certainly can't be ignored. On the other hand, neither can 1 Cor 8:6 be ignored. It says that only the Father is God. The question becomes one of squaring the two apparently contradictory statements. I know there are several verses that could be taken in a Trinitarian...

Context plus a question mark doesn't count for anything? Plus, wouldn't word, "was" (which you left out of the quote) mean something also? I think most got the point, as bad as it may have been. :)

I searched for the phrase "Jesus is God" in my Bible program. Tried several versions. Nothing came up. Which version do you see the phrase, "Jesus is God?"

Jesus said many times he was the son of God. Never said he was the Father (the only God as per 1 Cor 8:6). The Pharisees got it wrong. But there is actually more to it. In the Ancient Near East (including Jews, those to whom God gave the scriptures) considered the eldest son as virtually equal...

God is in the image and form of God? It says that about Jesus and us, but I don't see where God says He's in the image and form of God. Matt 1:18, Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with...

There are also a multitude of scriptures that would make it quite impossible of Jesus to be God. You should be able to find them in those threads. I've given many multiple times. Clearly we can't have discrepancies in the scriptures. They all have to fit one way or the other. I know all the...

No, I'm quite sincere. Just trying to be nice about.

I meant showing that the verses I quoted don't show that we are in the form and image of God. We're talking about scriptures, so it'd be nice to use them to make your argument. As it is, you are not saying anything different that what the Pharisees said to Jesus. They couldn't use scriptures to...

Being more interested in the scriptures than tradition, I'd be interested in seeing which verse says, "Jesus was God." You know, something as clear as Acts 2:22. Acts 2:22, Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs...

The Pharisees were convinced Jesus had a devil. John 8:48, Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? Any comments on the actual OP?

Where does it say, "Jesus is God?" Of course the answer is, nowhere. Instead it is inferred that him being in the image and form of God as him actually being God, so I was wondering why us being in the same form and image of God doesn't make us God also. I hear Col 1:15 and Phil 2:6 used as...