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  1. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I'm taking Genesis 3:5 too far? I just quoted it. Didn't really go into much else about it. I suppose I could have left it out altogether and maybe I should have. Humor me and pretend I did. :) It's irrelevant to my main point anyway. My main concern was, if being in the form and image of God...
  2. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Well, this is from the OP: 2 Cor 3:18, And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into - His (Jesus) image - - - with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. The word "transformed" is the verb form of the Greek word...
  3. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    All good, but it still doesn't explain why we being in the form and image of God, doesn't make us God. Apparently it makes Jesus God. Why not us? I think John 10:18 also raises questions for Trinitarians. Why would one part of God receive commandments from another part of God? If Jesus...
  4. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I'm open to other solutions if you have one. I just know that as Jesus is in the image of God and in His form, so are we. If that makes Jesus God, why doesn't it make us God?
  5. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Technically you are right. Thanks!
  6. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Yes! Jesus is called the son of God some 35 times. Never called God the Son, which does nothing but cause problem after problem in understanding God's will for us. In no other arena of life would one think a son can be his own father. Just shows the power of tradition to think such a thing could...
  7. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Sorry for causing any bad feelings. I should have been more charitable. I can do that if I choose (I really am born again :)), but I chose to cause contention instead. So I ended up learning a lot from these threads. Forgive me my indiscretion. I'm comforted that Jesus, sitting at the right had...
  8. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    ??????? Rom 10:9-13, 9 that if you confess with your - mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your - heart that - God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. 11 It is just as the...
  9. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Well, right out of the gate you are inserting a foundational and critical tenet of the trinity that simply is not in the scriptures. It comes from outside the scriptures, namely Babylonian, Egyptian, and other Pagan religions. They have god-men, but nothing in the scriptures about that. The...
  10. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Who is God's God and Father? John 20:17, Romans 15:6, 2 Cor 1:3, 2 Cor 11:31, Eph 1:17, 1 Pet 1:3, Rev 1:6, Rev 3:12. All say Jesus had a God and a Father. Who would that be? Are Rom 5:15, Acts 2:22, Acts 17:31, 1 TIm 2:5, John 4:29, John 8:40 not crystal clear in calling Jesus a man? Don't try...
  11. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    They also like John 8:58 a lot. John 8:58, Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Of course, they make no attempt to square that with Matt 1:18, Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before...
  12. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    At least give me credit about being right about your zeal for the Lord. :) Maybe someday you will consider the plethora of verses that make it quite impossible for Jesus to be God along with the few you quote that, at best, are ambiguous and don't say outright that Jesus is God. Romans 10:2...
  13. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Isa 45:5, I, am Yahweh, and there is none else, Besides me, there is no, God,––I gird thee, though thou hast not known me: So you're saying that God's name, Yahweh, is also Jesus's name? It looks to me like there is no other Yahweh, but you're making up another besides Yahweh that is God...
  14. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Dear brother, you keep saying that, but where is it found in the scriptures? As far as I can tell, Jesus never did anything at his discretion. John 5:30, I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the...
  15. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    That doesn't say Jesus God. It says Jesus had a name which meant "God with us." Since God was in Jesus (2 Cor 5:19) it could indeed be said that God was with us. I trust you know that Christ is in you (Col 1:27). So it's God in Christ in you. Guess what that means? Wherever you are, God is! Have...
  16. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes! It's the Trinitarians that minimize God's logos and the greatness of Jesus in carrying out that plan to perfection.
  17. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Is that supposed to prove Jesus is God? You realize that it was YHWH who said that. How does that say Jesus is YHWH. It actually says quite the opposite. It says YHWH is the only true God. Oh, that's what 1 Cor 8:6 says also. Oh, well...they're just a bunch of words. The important thing is that...
  18. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    There is no such thing as a "mere" human. God created man just a little lower than the gods. Ps 8:4-5, 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour...
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jer 18:8, If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Jer 18:10, If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. I will...
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I guess the blind man who Jesus healed would also be God. John 9:9, Some said, This is he: others [said], He is like him: [but] he said, I am (εγω ειμι) [he]. And we mustn't forget that Paul was also God. Acts 26:29, And Paul said, I would to God, that not only thou, but also all that hear...