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I hear you talking about this group, yet who actually advocates this. I have never even met these you speak of.

Who are the "do nothing Christians"?

Either you are a part of the fold or you are not. If you are His sheep He will keep and protect you. Just like the wheat and tares. Wheat do not turn into tares. The tares were created tares where the wheat was created as wheat. Does not the Potter have the right to make vessels created for...

You do understand your entire premise here revolves around an "if". If pigs start flying tomorrow we can know this whole thing is an illusion... Just sayin... The facts are you did not die and you speak of being in Christ now. Did you ever think God had something to do with that or is it...

Your testimony speaks to the truth of the perseverance of the saints...you still claim the God that claimed you. You did repent of your wayward lifestyle... Only those who are His ever come back...

I think you need to read the portion I added to the post. I am sorry if that is the way you feel about the God of the Bible. God pre-choose Jeremiah...God pre-chose Jacob over Esau...God chose the 12 disciples...and many more were chosen before the foundations of the world. Also within this...

I am sorry if you do not understand the terms you are using, yet for theological discussions we must start by agreeing with the terms we use. This is all important because if you are speaking about atonement while I am speaking about salvation we can never come to a clear understanding of each...

I think this is why these conversations are helpful. We do have a different view of salvation. What you speak of on the cross is atonement... Also I do not think you have a correct understanding of what Edwards is conveying either. Shalom!

Salvation is presented as both a present and future event for the believer. In other words God is saving you now, and you will be saved in the future. Here is some information about Jon... Born in 1703 into a pioneer family on the frontier of East Windsor, Connecticut, Jonathan Edwards was...

I did not read Geisler's book, although many different theologians have reached various positions regarding free will. Did you read James White's book in his response to Geisler, Potter's Freedom? I do know the definition of both fallacies, and she is guilty of both if you read her post.

Salvation is presented through Scripture as both future and continual. No I am not.

I did... Did you get a chance to read my previous response to you? Also were you going to try to answer those questions or simply continue to avoid them?

So why would you judge their hearts to think God was saving them even though they are apostate.... ^_^ Also you have a misconception about Jon...

If I told you I really don't want to do any harm to anyone and I was an abortion doctor would you believe me also? The point being actions speak louder than words. An apostate is apostate with their actions speaking loudly. If you want to just believe whatever anyone tells you this is fine...

Firstly I did not say anything about Christianity...you did. Now for the argument... You say they had salvation and lost it. Prove they had salvation to begin with. The fact is you can not. Yet the fact remains they are apostate. I adhere to Jonathon Edward's definition of free will...

Ask Oz which fallacy you are commiting here... Red herring Straw-man The topic is apostasy. Unless you can prove they truly believed in their heart while their actions prove they have no belief, you have no case. Who can know the heart of a man? We do not even know the depths of our own...

Does Jesus ever say those who don't endure to the end will be saved or are in the process of being saved but bring that process to a halt?

Are we supposed to believe everything someone says just because they say it even when their actions are saying the exact opposite? Regarding the Bible, it also says everyone who believes will be saved... For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." - Romans...

A prayer to be filled with the Holy Spirit is almost daily for me. It is only when I am filled by Him can I truly be of use to others. He overflows through my life into the lives of others. The Spirit moved in me in a very physical and powerful way in Israel at the wailing wall so that I will...

Amen! Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. - John 5:24