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Why would I not believe Romans 10:9-13? I have never argued against this verse... The perseverance of the saints means that all those who are truly born again will be kept by God’s power and will persevere as Christians until the end of their lives, and that only those who persevere until the...

Again I support the perseverance of the saints doctrine... The perseverance of the saints means that all those who are truly born again will be kept by God’s power and will persevere as Christians until the end of their lives, and that only those who persevere until the end have been truly born...

Barrd, You are so close... If they hold to the faith they are saved: only those who continue in the faith are saved. This has been explicitly expressed by me all along as apportioned to the perseverance of the saints doctrine. Again here is the definition... The perseverance of the saints...

1 Corinthians 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. I would say this is very clear. Paul explains why some are not saved. The NLT states it this way... It is this Good News that saves you if you continue to...

God is morally objective. Humans are morally subjective. We are only moral because God is the source of morality. We are made in His image. God can not do anything immoral. That would go against His nature. His nature is good and perfect.

Neither Acts 9 nor Galatians 1 need to relate to the 1 Corinthians verse. Paul states Jesus appeared to him. God is omnipresent. You can speculate on the rest...this is your eisegesis at work... I am discussing this no longer, the subject is perseverance of the saints. Shalom

Thank you for your concern. Please pray about it. Paul says more than I heard a voice... Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. - 1 Corinthians 15:8

Jesus is ever present...omnipresent. Paul says He appeared to him. It is written in Scripture... I trust the Word of God...

Actually each point stands on their own. The post I made speaks to God selecting individuals to be in Christ. The long list of verses speaks of some being selected before the foundations of the world. Especially Ephesians 1:4-5 Revelation 13:8 and Revelation 17:8 speaks this in the negative...

I already did...but just for you Stan... 1 Corinthians 1:26-30 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the...

This is absurd. Paul emphatically states Jesus appeared to him in a letter by his own hand inspired by the Holy Spirit yet you do not accept that. You would rather take Luke's second hand account that was not meant to graphically detail every event rather give a telling of what happened. Just...

Back to the topic... For those who disagree with the perseverance of the saints doctrine they must disprove it...not just post scriptures they believe contradict God's eternal promises... Point #1 God has chosen some from before the foundations of the world. Thier names are in the Lamb's book...

It is actually a tactic called a red herring. It is an attempt to distract the conversation away from the portion they have no answer to. They pick an irrelevant portion of the post and disagree for the sake of disagreeing. The other tactic I have seen is flooding the thread with irrelevant...

No Stan my biblical study practices are sound. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. - 1 Corinthians 15:8 You need to explain it to Paul that Jesus wasn't there... God not only knew what would happen to Nebuchadnezzar he enforced it and ordained it. This is taken from...

No you don't have it. Paul speaks of those who believe in vain. What part of that do you not accept? Yes people leave the faith all the time. That does not mean there were ever being saved though. God knew exactly what Mary would say. Do you think God would have chosen a woman that would...

I would say we do make choices based on our greatest desires. God is able to manipulate our desires to suit His purpose. He does this through putting us in situations where we freely chose His desired outcome. Paul is a great example. Paul did chose to obey after the fear of God was...

Stan, I know the conversion story all to well. Saul was on his way to persecute Christians. He was confronted by Jesus, whom he did not recognize. And I said, 'Who are you, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am Jesus whom you are persecuting. - Acts 26:15 Then Jesus says He appointed Saul a...

You have done nothing to support your position or discount mine. You are playing games here... I ask you pointed questions and you discontinue the conversation. I ask for clarity and you refuse to give it. Get a grip...

Saul was far from the truth he persecuted Christians. Here you conceded God does act over the will of men, even if only certain men that we know of through Scripture. You then make the ASSUMPTION he does not do this with all men. This is your eisegesis at work again... Here is another...

These are questions that remain unanswered by you prior to any questions you raised...btw I don't even know of questions I did not answer from you. Please state them clearly...