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Strange imagination you have there. I guess you feel no pressure at all to be clear or articulate.

Also, it would be good if anyone that is a JW identify themselves honestly as such rather than 'christian' here.

No. The understanding rests on principles. Solid bible fundamentals. We know that the tribulation is the wrath of God, and we do not go through the wrath. We know we return with Him. We know when He comes He will take us to be with Him, not come down to us. etc.

Same thing, they are one. So when Jesus returns all kingdoms become His, and of course the Father's also. There is no separate time for the rule to start! No He won't. There will still be rebels 1000 years later. Once all is finished, after the millennium then we have the new heavens and...

He will rule for 1000 years. He will start to rule after He returns. Yep.

What does that mean? When Jesus returns He does rule forever, starting with that millennium period. He does not rule the kingdoms of this world now. They are not yet become His kingdoms. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms...

The kingdom we are part of does not rule earth now. We are part of it yes. However, only when He returns will, as Revelation says,, Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and...

So who is the JW?

Right you have been saying that for a while now. Once again, toodaloo Rev 11 says there is a temple in heaven with the ark. You do not believe it, so you try to wave it away by pretending it is some sort of symbol rather than a true reality. We got that a long time ago.

All we need to get is that heaven is real, and when we are told there is a temple there with the ark in it, all we need to do is believe.

The sequence is clear. In heaven a temple with the ark was opened, later an angels also came out of it, later, another angel...etc. Case solved.

Thank you, I did that, and taught quite a bit in my last post. Try and learn.

Doesn't matter. Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: Nor is it a prophesy. It simply states what was seen and heard! If they were believers they should believe what it says. That is another discussion. The...

Here is Rev 11:19, the first part (once again) Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: Sorry you don't believe it.

I try not to question what God does, especially in heaven. That is a good thing.

Noting God can do anything He wants is not quoting anything. Try to be honest.

Why did they need to see a temple? Why did they need to see mansions? Why did they need to see a river? Angels? elders? walls? gems? Why did they need to hear voices? Thunders? etc etc No one gets to wave away all the realities of the bible because they think there are also some symbolism used...

Because God put it there. That makes more sense than thinking God lost it and the heathen have it or something. It is also amazing to think that it was taken up the moment Jesus died.

The ark is old and a wooden box, and I do not blame God for putting it in the temple in heaven.

The bible says this Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament I believe it. That is profitable. You do not, toodaloo