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  1. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    God must have cared or why else would He have it there in a temple no less? Whose opinion matters when we know where God is at?
  2. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    If Jesus did not step in they would have done so! But if you knew about this verse, you would realize what was being talked about by destroying. Again, this is obfuscation and avoiding the issue.
  3. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. God also can have a place shake without having the whole country or area shake. For example the jail shook when the apostles were busted out. Likewise...
  4. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    It did not say there was some heaven wide earthquake. The scene was a certain temple in heaven. Maybe you think there cannot be silence in heaven either?
  5. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    There is no use obfuscating. The topic is the ark and where it is. You have waved away the verse that tells us. You disbelieve there is a temple in heaven with the ark as we are told in the verse. Fine. I think you stated you think the ark is hidden somewhere on earth. We can disagree.
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    I happen to know you are no expert on heaven and what is possible or not there. I already covered that in a previous post. The first part of that verse is in heaven. The rest of the verse after the colon might be a bit of both, but we do not know. No, the setting was heaven. New Jerusalem is...
  7. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    No. You can't disbelieve the reality in a ritualistic way using the fact that there is also some symbols used in the bible. He expects us to know the difference. When the bible says an angel or a temple or the ark that is not imagery. What nations do after Jesus returns is not the topic...
  8. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Wisdom is plain to him that understands. Try not to attempt a holy cover for not believing the bible. The temple was a temple and the ark is the ark and heaven is heaven.
  9. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Not at all, we know from various other places in the bible that the sun does go out and etc. Nothing to do with politics. We are told in prophesy that there will be a great quake in the end, that will level all cities and mountains on earth. Isaiah 30:25 And there shall be upon every high...
  10. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Not really. There was a 'do not disturb' sign on God's door basically until the plagues were done. By the way this shows that folks did enter the temple, but that they temporarily was a closure!
  11. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Your opinion that what was stated clearly is nothing more than 'imagery' is noted. To be clear, are the thunders and lightning and temple just imagery also?
  12. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Look at the verse. Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. So the first part of that verse right up to the colon is...
  13. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Nope. That is why we are to pray that is one day be on earth as it is in heaven. It is more like hell now than heaven. You are not even close. When He returns all will submit that are still alive! He will break them in pieces like a broken bowl. He will then rule with a rod of iron, an iron...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    It would probably be better for you to admit defeat and get on with getting a better understanding of the ark in heaven. It is not relevant to the issue of where the ark is to be looking at all the symbolism of the ark. It did not say the symbolism was in heaven but that a temple was in heaven...
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Since the greater context here was that you claimed Christ was now ruling the planet and has been for 1000 years the monarchy in the UK does not matter. I simply am not impressed by Camila, Prince Philip or Charles etc.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The Valley of Josaphat (variants: Valley of Jehoshaphat and Valley of Yehoshephat) is a Biblical place mentioned by name in the Book of Joel (Joel 3:2 and 3:12): "I will gather together all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Josaphat: "Then I will enter into judgment with them...
  17. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Seriously, you thought Charles was a defender of Christian faith? Pretty lame.
  18. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He returns to rule. A valley opens up near the mount of olives and He judges nations. That means people. Lot's of survivors.
  19. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    When Jesus returns the kingdoms of this world will become His kingdoms. Meanwhile, the nations are against Jesus. Neither are believers ruling with Him here now.
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No survivors? Rev 7: 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying...