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  1. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No He does not whether you realize it or not. Nor has He been reigning for the last 1000 years with His saints. Nor has the great tribulation that must precede that rule happened yet. Etc. No we are not at the end of the millennium. I doubt Satan and his angels are cast to earth till we are...
  2. dad

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    He does not reign till He returns. You have some wires crossed
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    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So Jesus has returned to earth and destroyed the wicked and ruled with His saints already for 1000 years. Since that day will not come Paul told us until the man of sin first comes, then you also think the tribulation is over. So the waters all turned to blood and etc 1000 years ago? Sorry, not...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    It means a temple was opened in heaven and in it was the ark of the covenant. Not sure what having verses at the ends of chapters seems to rock your boat. However, unless you have some clear and sane reason why anyone would care, don't waste our time pretending you have some clever point...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Misquote? Yet there is a temple in heaven named after it and containing it! Your opinion has no basis. So now those who disbelieve that there really were the temple and the ark in the temple are unlike saints! Pretty lame. The only place the discussion was sidetracked was when you expressed...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Whatever it pointed to aside there was an ark, so where is it? I think you answered that you neither know nor care. Well if it is on planet earth that description will do. To be clear do you wave away the temple as well as the ark in the temple? If so, how about heaven, does that make the...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Cut to the chase here, what is it you think we would find? Right, and I daresay even to man today. They need Jesus. No. Not if you use the word object as meaning Jesus is an object like the ark. The ark pointed to Him. Nevertheless that ark was an object and real. So where is it? OK. So the...
  8. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    That is interesting. The ark showed how Jesus as the lid, covered the law from us. Great picture of Jesus. Of course that lid was not Jesus, just a picture of what was to happen. So then, since the ark was so important and such a great shadow of things spiritual and to come, where do you...
  9. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    I don't know. I assumed that the event was so important (God finally starting to wrap things up on earth with the judgments) that in that area where the temple was in heaven, thunders and lightnings were seen and heard. The great power of God was moving as long foretold. It is a serious thing...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Do you believe the ark is in a temple in heaven like the bible says? If I recall, you do not. I think you say Jesus is that ark or some such. So I guess you think that original actual ark of the covenant is rotting away somewhere on earth or in hiding here. Great, thanks for weighing in with...
  11. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    It is true then you cannot make a clear point. Your claim that Jesus is the mercy seat is laughable. He is not the staffs that carried the ark either, nor the gold angels on it, nor the lid etc etc etc The verse that says Jesus is literally a mercy seat in the ark of the covenant? You seem to...
  12. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Why post repetitive word salads? Your opinion does not stand in the face of the bible. The mercy seat was fashioned by man out of gold etc. It does not matter that the ceremonies of people on earth will not involve the ark of the covenant in the future. I have no idea why you might imagine it...
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    You forgot to post a point there. What is your point? The ark obviously is not used in a temple then...so what? How does that even address where it is now?
  14. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    No one asked what it represented, but where it is. Focus.
  15. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    I know you are but what am i?
  16. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Answered already. It is not part of the worship at that time so why would they? Jesus will be here then, so there is no need for a box to symbolise His presence.
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Exodus 25:17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. Exodus...
  18. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    No, in other words I will not allow you to wave away heaven or that temple mentioned in heaven, or the ark mentioned in that temple in heaven.
  19. dad

    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Those are people on earth. The temple of the ark of the testimony was where? Heaven. The ark does not cease to exist because some folks down on earth have a different way to worship than they used to many thousands of years ago! Not sure what point you thought you had?
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    Ark of the Covenant in Heaven?

    Yes at that time He appeared UPON the mercy seat. That is news? That does not mean that the wooden box that had a mercy seat was God. Right, God's presence was there. Later, when the ark was behind the veil in the holy of holies, there was not usually such a cloud. What is your point? Of course...