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How am I to know who is lying? I don't condemn Trump but I'm also not convinced he won.

I'm not a calvinist. That's calvinist doctrine. 100 percent grace doesn't mean we don't have to respond to God's invitation. Accepting a gift is not a work. It's the opposite of works.

Any true believer will be repentant because the spirit will convict him of sin. But even repentance doesn't earn us any points. It's all grace.

Isn't any of the works you do physical disciplines? Even choosing not to do something is a physical discipline. Luther said a curious thing that is quite startling at first glance. He said if we could murder and commit adultery 1000 times a day it would not cancel out grace ( I'm paraphrasing)...

Lol, there's no difference whatsoever in calling someone a liar and saying they lie.

If you didn't cooperate with grace, you would not be saved, so, no, you would not have faith. Again, you don't cooperate 100 percent, as far as works.. so your argument falls flat. What percentage do you have to cooperate to stay saved?

I doubt anyone is wholly self taught. We all should study theology, but most Christians don't. I'm not sure what you want. I said I read various Christian writers and attended various churches. I try to take the gold from each and leave the dross.

I already have.

Paul is talking about the lengths he goes to in order to spread the gospel, not establishing a doctrine of penance. And you are changing your tune now after calling me a liar? Strange. The point is that none of these disciplines save anyone. Fasting is a good thing. It's not a means of salvation.

You don't seem to be getting the fact that if you rely on your works for salvation, you aren't relying on Christs sacrifice but your own performance.

Lying about what? That works of penance are part of Catholic teaching and "saint" are revered for doing them? You are seriously denying that? "Saint" Francis De Sales for example, was known to use the discipline (self-flagellation, using a whip, rod, or lash), as well as an iron belt and...

Sigh... nobody said you can have true faith without it resulting in action. That doesn't equal works adding anything to our salvation. James does not imagine that work is at odds with faith. There can be no “justification by works” because there can be no good works unless there is already...

Yeah, we can foresake him, by falling into false teaching that denies he came in the flesh for example. But that's a different issue than works.

I'm not following. If we are not saved, now, we have no assurance Christ will never forsake us. In fact, in this scenario he foresakes us every time we sin. That's not the good news. Piecing together various verses with no context, blah, poor taste.

We can agree to disagree.. just remember that our savior isn't trump.

But turning and seeing her, Jesus said, Daughter, be comforted; your faith has saved you. And the woman was saved from that hour." Not just healed, but saved.

True... but not if they continue in the cults errors.

No. I don't know what you mean about it not being well thought out. None of us know all Truth. Surely the pope doesn't know it anymore than we do. "I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is...

They all do, IMO. I have attended various churches and studied on my own also. Some more than others. The Catholic IMO, add too much ritual and baggage that's non biblical, until there's a very real danger of people trying to work themselves into the kingdom by doing all the right rituals...

First, your church has not been consistent on the issue of penance. Some insisted that not all sins could be forgiven, adultery for example. Again how can one know how many acts of penance are enough? Because of some priests prescription? You can not just sweep your churches history under the...