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Sooo....what. By believing that Christ is physically coming again, and that sin and death remains in this world and, to an extent, within us too (which has bible verses to back it up), I'm gaining the world and destroying my soul? Don't take this the wrong way, but I'd rather stick with the...

Yes...and then we had the fall. Followed by the OT. I'm assuming you've read and followed the general gist of the OT? After the fracturing of God's first vision for mankind, we then proved over, and over again, that we are incapable of 'being perfect as he is perfect'. Heck, most of us don't...

I'm sorry, but that makes little sense to me. Rational, or biblical.

Hmmm, I don't think I phrased that particularly right, sorry. My point was (or attempting to be)...could be wrong, but might not be...

Ah...again with an out of context verse. Although, I do find it funny that you quote a verse that speaks directly about the resurrection. Me, I prefer NOT to head over the horizon, but remain grounded in the word. Ephesians 3:17 - so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that...

And yet, you seemed to have very neatly dodged the questions at the end of my post. The questions that, unless answered properly, completely invalidate your ideas. Have a go at that, yeah?

So...what you're saying is that God's plan for us in the beginning...body and soul...was fundamentally flawed and now he just wants us to be spirits. You DO know there's teaching against this sort of stuff in the bible, right?

Actually....you might be surprised! I agree...religion is not a 'nice' word. Religion brings to mind fundamentalist, unloving, deceived masses. Bowing to a lie all in the name of 'god' just because they know there is more to life than what can be seen physically, but unsure where to point that...

Oh boy. You are further gone over the horizon than I thought. In other words...there's probably little point in trying to reason with you, is there? Two questions before I go: where in scripture does it tell you that Jesus forsook his risen physical body as he ascended to his Father? I think...

Well, I suppose that depends. If you are hanging your entire argument on the fact that the word 'physically' doesn't appear, then congratulations, you have won. The evident problem in that is; a person doesn't have to USE a particular word to still very clearly explain something. Language is...

Isn't that just a little bit gnostic? And I would have thought the "single most important principle" was all of God's word...not just cherry picking bits that seem to say what you'd like it too. Look, God made mankind as spirit AND body. When we become Christians we receive a new heart, we...

I just find it excessively strange that he made the claim, considering the historical data we have to work from. Doesn't it sort of seem like beginning with the conclusion that black is white, and then going on from there? How could he possibly land in a spot of accuracy when he starts 'back to...

It is most easy to say this, is it not, about pretty much anything? I can say it back to you with just as much ease. It doesn't really answer the question, however. Which is one of the reasons it is best to look at the preponderance of the verses that speak on the topic and see where they point...

I'm not sure this is exactly touching on what you are aiming for, but I think it's interesting. The bible actually labels elohim more than just the Most High God. Check these references out: God of Israel: God (Elohim) has taken his place in the divine council; -Psalm 82:1a Council members: in...

Well, no offense to the author, but it seem to me that differentiating between 'religious' and 'spiritual' is a bit of a wobbly line. Saying that they are spiritual would suggest they saw the world as more than just physical; they believed in an unseen world, and that perhaps that world extended...

Goodness yes! How absurd to believe what scripture tells us. Foolish us. Not that you have it at all right in saying we believe in a ''3 advent" coming, anyway. Christ's spiritual presence with us now? How he 'never leaves nor forsakes us'...is clearly in the presence and work of the Holy...

Ah...one wonders how you came to this conclusion? Wouldn't history, both secular and biblical point wildly in the opposite direction? Man...the list of 'gods' I could lay out here...were they just made up by 'moderns'? Did the ancients not really have them as gods? How do you explain them...

There are, I think, clearly people out there who try to 'presume' upon grace. They see it as not such a big deal if they sin. In fact, they don't strive against it at all. "It's all good," they think, "I'm free in Christ, his grace has got it". And that, clearly, is not what the bible teaches...

Ah....and here we have a severe divergence in what we seem to be talking about. But, as I'm not really able to engage at present in a long debate, I might leave it at that and wish you a Merry Christmas.

I think I was very much like you in my childhood. It was the best childhood one could get, really, I'm not complaining and my parents were, and are, fantastic, godly people. But, yes, I'd say they taught right and wrong without giving much grounding in WHY God says things are right and wrong...