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We are not kept by our own strength or power rather by God's power. Those who are His produce fruit.

Calvin is never mentioned but by you... You completely avoided the question. Can you answer it please? The mind is not strengthened by Calvin, but by the Scriptures.

This here is a classic example of a straw man in the making.... Tell me Rocky, where do you gather such a notion from this definition? The perseverance of the saints means that all those who are truly born again will be kept by God’s power and will persevere as Christians until the end of...

I would like to introduce an idea... We who believe in the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints in no way profess a dead faith, nor are we antinomians...yet when it comes to soteriology we do believe we are saved through the belief of the death of Jesus Christ for our sins and His...

This thread has degenerated into a completely different topic...to continue this topic of "OSAS" please move to the thread with that title... http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/18216-the-doctrine-of-osas/page-26#entry260229 For the topic of Sabbath-Keeping please remain in this thread...

That was only 1/3 not 2/3 Rev. 12:4, “And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven, and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.”

Well if you look into history they were gathered back into the land, the temple was rebuilt, and Christ came to establish the everlasting covenant. Christ sits on David's throne now, Israel rejected their King...

Here is the catch I believe...you are correct in saying God does not force His love, yet once you are born again there is nothing that can compare to it. God reveals His love to you and there is nothing your heart desires more! You desire to move closer and delve deeper into it. God is your...

Thank you...I love and respect you also...xoxoxo Ha ha!

No one disagrees...we are to pick up our cross daily. Yet we are kept by the Good Shephard, and if we wander He will leave the 99 to get the one. Glory be to God in the Highest for it is not through my efforts I am being saved and will be saved, rather it is through the power of God alone! If...

Honestly my comment was not against you personally...but I understand why you might think it was. Just like I am certain your previous post was not against me personally...

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It seems to me some cherish free will over God's free gift...

I would think all arguments would end at this definition of the doctrine...but I was wrong. The perseverance of the saints means that all those who are truly born again will be kept by God’s power and will persevere as Christians until the end of their lives, and that only those who persevere...

And others do not understand the value of Christ crucified yet still want to lean on their own strength to persevere as opposed to God's protecting hand. Also sad...

What makes you think these are believers...simply because they call Him Lord at the judgement?

Yet the apostles call themselves slaves...even though the word is translated bond servant...actually it means slave in the original Greek

The perseverance of the saints means that all those who are truly born again will be kept by God’s power and will persevere as Christians until the end of their lives, and that only those who persevere until the end have been truly born again. Wayne Grudem from Systematic Theology (pg. 788) If...

And this sums my point accurately...the tares are destined for the fire...not so for the wheat...

The unregenerate is bent on sin, enslaved to it. The heart is desperately wicked. Once regenerated we are enslaved to righteousness. Only from this point can we freely choose to serve and obey God.