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To continue... Is God attempting to save those He knows will not be saved? No. Only those who are saved by God obtain any form of salvation. Salvation is not something to be had and then lost. Those who profess belief and then apostate never posses salvation to begin with because God never...

I guess this is the question... Does God know who is going to be saved? Is God attempting to save those He knows will not be saved?

The falling away is from the fellowship of Christian Believers, not from salvation... Oh and the parable of the four soils... How many of the soils are saved?

Yes and in that relationship we are to trust God, not our own abilities. Adam broke that trust in the garden, we are to now believe His Word.

You do realize 100% of the Bible was written to a specific audience....your same logic can be applied to any passage

We should add here that any who finally do turn aside and fall away reveal that they were never part of the people of God (1 Cor 11:19; 1 John 2:19). Perhaps it is not the doctrine that is skewed, rather your view of it or your interpretation of it...

I simply want to point something out here... Do you notice in all of these you feel you must maintain control here? You answer if I walk if I remain if I confess Where is you confidence? Surely not in God's ability, rather in your own...

More nothing... Simply continuing the attempt to change the subject. Rabbit trails...

4 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. I can start here... This says the believer "has" eternal life...does not come into judgement...has passed out of death...

And you gave me nothing... Again you are simply purporting...

I like this... Elsewhere in the New Testament we are told that the Lord will “guard” (phylassō) those who are his, ensuring that they will not fall away irretrievably (2 Thess 3:3; Jude 24). Such promises, however, should never cancel out the injunction to watch ourselves so that we do not...

1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Was this bunch ever going to be saved in God's eyes?

What I see are those who submit to God's sovereign authority in the realm of salvation, sanctification, and justification, trusting in the promise of eternal life; the promise given by God. Then others believe they can go against God's sovereign authority and can nullify the blood of Christ's...

Do you believe you are protected by the power of God? Do you believe Jesus intercedes on your behalf today in heaven? Do you believe when Jesus died on the cross for your sins He died for all of them, or is there some sins He did not die for? Do you believe you can thwart God plan of salvation?

I have clearly supported my position...yet you still use your dodging tactics and now ask what does this verse have to do with modern times... WOW!

What work had God begun? Referring to the immediate context only, some interpreters prefer to explain it as the support the church gave to Paul. They say Paul meant the “sharing in the gospel.” The rule of context always guides the interpreter, but it is conceivable that Paul may have drawn on...

Yes and you claim it does not...yet you do not explain yourself. Now if you had asked me to support my claim, then I would understand your case. Rather you simply stated your opinion that the verse is not about the sanctification process. Again you are entitled to your opinion...

Still attempting to shift the burden of proof...lol. You can have your opinion...

New American Standard Bible For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

John MacArthur John Murray in Redemption Accomplished and Applied wrote the following: In order to place the doctrine of perseverance in proper light we need to know what it is not. It does not mean that every one who professes faith in Christ and who is accepted as a believer in the...