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I'm not sure that our points are so divergent here. One could, I suppose, argue for the self being made completely new...as in "I will give you a new heart and new spirit" (Ez 36:26), or even: "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has...

Nope! Opposite end of the spectrum....Amil. (Don't hate me)

Ah...one nerd speaking to another nerd! I think I sort of see what you are trying to say, but I'm not sure I fully agree with it...but it is difficult, because i'm working on my own foggy understanding of your vision! Here's how it pans out....I think you are saying that in the new birth, when...

Thanks for the imput. I am familiar with the passage....however...it would seem to me to still present a condundrum in terms of this conversation. In that, this passage also speaks heavily of things we DO after we recieve grace. For example: The New Life Now this I say and testify in the Lord...

I've seen that before...have you posted it here some time back? It's very good! I like to dabble with art, but I'm no good with this sort of stuff. I do fine pen work and also fabic art.

I am very much afraid that I do not understand you. I fully acknowledge that might be my own dense-ness, however. Is that even a word? I am not at all sure what you are saying when you say that the bible doesn't speak to 'Christian life', because I see otherwise! It has advice for husbands...

I appreciate people who can just 'splash' paint onto a canvas like this and have something so aesthetically pleasing come out. It's not at all easy to do!

Actually, I came across it online and loved it! Thanks to @Dave Watchman for finding the artist :)

I read this post and I am unsure if you are supporting salvation by grace alone, or if you are actually trying to presume upon grace. I would like to hope its the former, but when you said "The problem with that is God never tells us to change our old man", that worried me. As did "It was never...

I'm sorry...but, how is this not date-setting? And I don't buy "I'm setting a year, rather than a day or hour". That's just semantics. How on earth do you expect to wiggle around the bible edict that NO MAN will no when Christ will return? I mean, it says it often and emphatically.

Actually, it kinda does. Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. -Revelation 21:1–2 Then...

Just clarifying my position as there are numerous here who ascribe to a pre-trib Rapture. I wasn't sure if you were one or not, but felt it probably didn't matter either way because in stating my position, it's my position, not yours, and therefore I couldn't get it wrong or insult anyone! Just...

:D The thing is, brakelite...I appreciate you too much to get into a really big argument with you. And I think perhaps we would if we really threw down. Because, yeah...we both like to go there, theologically, and yeah...we're quite different where we end up. I think we need to continue to...

Hhmmm, I had not quite considered it like that either. I guess...yes, I think Jesus would be sad at the fighting; we should always try and disagree with a degree of fellowship, don't you think? But...as for the denominational differences themselves? I don't know...would it make him sad that...

I most certainly plan to wait for my Lords appearing. And it probably will be after a period of persecution and even worldly trevail. I don't expect it to be seven years after a Rapture, however, just a single event. 'Cause my bible tells me so...

Agreed!

I agree that this is a serious matter...as it should be. How we come to Gods word cannot be more important. However, I believe there is considerable...misunderstanding...on this topic. I myself am Baptist, but I do not always hold to a "literal" interpretation. Mostly because I find that phrase...

I pretty much agree with what you say here. I just think the line of demarcation between 'appreciation and lust' or 'irriation and anger' is perhaps a very fine one that is not so easy to point to, especially when we tend to speak in more general terms on the topic, but 'on the ground', its in...

Nope! Not me...I'm good thanks! :p