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  1. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    I think it is safe to say the OP is a strawman. No Christian believes Christ's death the cross unnecessary as that would make them unChristian by definition. Scripture tells us that Christ suffered and died at the hands of godless men by the predetermined plan of God and this was God...
  2. John Caldwell

    USA riots

    This is from an older book I am revisiting as it has proved, IMHO, an accurate assessment. It is the 2006 Steele book "White Guilt". "Anger is acted out by the oppressed only when real weakness is perceived in the oppressor. So anger is never automatic or even inevitable for the oppressed; it...
  3. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    My answer is yes. Jesus Christ made atonement for all of mankind. This moved everything from a context of the "First Adam" and his transgression to the "Last Adam" and His obedience. I do not believe that Christ merely saved a group of people. I believe that EVERYTHING and EVERYONE is...
  4. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    I supposed I'm "intellectually challenged". I've read between the lines for so long and been proven wrong that I no longer trust myself to decide what a passage means to say and have to settle with what it does say. I think that even here, in my ignorance, Christ can make me stand. So I'm...
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    Dogskunk

  6. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    I cannot go off of what a passage means to say - I only know what it does say. Mankind is reconciled to God in Christ. All things will be reconciled to God in Christ. And when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to...
  7. John Caldwell

    Moral Values

    I wonder how we prioritize moral values, both as a society (at large or in the public arena) and as an individual. As an individual the “virtue” that I prize most is honesty. I may do and say many things, but I will not lie. Anyone who knows me knows this and it is not without its problems. But...
  8. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    I do believe the passage that "it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven." (Col. 1:19-20). And I do...
  9. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    I believe that through Christ God reconciled all things to Himself (whether things on earth or things in heaven), having made peace through the blood of His cross. So yes. "All things" means "all things".
  10. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    Usually it's me saying something stupid and the Spirit convicting me of the stupidity of the thing I said (via Scripture). :) That is why I have come to reject PSA. I preached it, awoke with the conviction it was anti-biblical, and tested the doctrine with Scripture. It is simply not there. I...
  11. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    If "atonement" means "reconciliation" (or "at-one-ment") then it is the result of justification (which is the same as "righteousness") and redemption (which is the price paid for our reconciliation). What remains is to find out if we are reconciled to God via righteousness through the law or...
  12. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    IMHO, when it comes to Scripture I think that the "clarity" on a verse means accepting the verse as it is in the text. There will always be some disagreement in terms of interpretation, I suppose. But we should not be adding to the Bible. For example, Scripture does not confirm PSA, but PSA...
  13. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    Amen. For a very long time I affirmed a position based on tradition (based on what I grew up with). I read it into Scripture without knowing. It was eye-opening to come to the realization that Scripture is sufficient in itself. This is how the Spirit works, not by filling the gaps. I still...
  14. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    I agree. But I do not believe that the Holy Spirit can be viewed as a Substitute for what is written. The Spirit guides into spiritual truth, application, etc. We have to test spirits via Scripture. If the spirit involved is adding to Scripture and changing the meanings of verses (telling...
  15. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    I think it helps to consider 2 Corinthians 5 and Colossians 1 when it comes to the Reconciliation. Through Christ God was reconciling all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross. Mankind is reconciled to God through Christ, and because of this we plead that men be...
  16. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    This is the key to doctrine. When people believe in doctrines that they feel are somehow implied in or taught by Scripture (like PSA) then they are in practice ignoring Scripture as the standard by which doctrine is measured. We have to trust what is written in the text, what Scripture...
  17. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    I probably won't be the last either :) . Sometimes it is just better to ignore people as a way to weed out those with whom you interact and hopefully facilitate a better discussion. I would never put someone on ignore because they disagree with me (we need disagreement) but sometimes you...
  18. John Caldwell

    What I believe about the Atonement

    Atonement is Reconciliation.
  19. John Caldwell

    Was the death on the cross necessary?

    I think you are right. The most spiritually nature person I knew was a pentecostal lady. I thought her theology was awful. But she spent hours in the morning and evening in prayer. When she visited with you you could see the love of God. Ask her a theology question and she would say she does...