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I agree with your point about justice, but I do not think it is the type of justice you may indicate. I do not think I will even care about getting justice for the thief who broke into my truck, or for people who lie about me and say all kinds of evil against me. But I do not know. It is worth...

I also do not like liars. But you have erroneously accused me of lying. I understand you may not have realized you posted another members words as your own, but that was an error on your part (you did not use the quote feature correctly). You should not have assumed I was lying. That was wrong...

It depends on how you define PSA. I am using the definition that I had provided (to be honest, I can't remember if it is on this thread, but it was from Pierced for My Transgressions. If it is not here and you need it I'll provide it - just let me know). Scripture does (I believe obviously)...

You do realize that you presented those words AS YOUR OWN in post#36....right? You need to learn how to use the quote feature, Anthony. There are a couple ways of doing this. You can simply use the +quote at the bottom right of the post you want to quote. Or you can hit "post reply" and that...

I see. The problem is you still have not grasped how to quote posts. Look at your post (#36). Comparing it to post #32 it is a jumble of your words and unattributed quotes in a quote and another member's words in the body of your post. It is a mess. I did assume that your post reflected your...

This is one of the best videos I have seen addressing the topic. It is about 15 minutes.

And the answer is no one. It could have been accidental, but it'd be up to you to forgive me because it was not a sin against God. The problem with PSA is it has assumed a 16th century humanistic philosophy of justice (a worldly, secular idea of justice) and attributed it to Divine Justice...

If the officer dies and God supernaturally makes him alive, and this is in God's court, I do not see why not. On the day of Judgment the murder, the slanderer, the liar, will not be allowed in. The old man must die. Apparently you missed the email - you must be born again - this is the...

Except Scripture does not support your theory. That is the problem, Enoch111. You offer a defense for a theory that is not even in the Bible. No, I am not calling God or Christ a liar. I am saying that God is competent and has given us Scripture without any need to add. When you add...

I think perhaps the reason PSA is such a mix is it was an attempt at reforming doctrines that were not exactly worked out (at least to a degree one would consider it "biblical" or from Scripture itself). All PSA does, ultimately, is substitute justice for honor in the pre-16th century RCC view...

Hey Taken, While you may see the question of the OP as not making sense, your answer answers the question. Under PSA the cross itself is irrelevant to Christ's "purposed Offering". Under other views of the atonement both are important. Jesus' offering actually did change the whole of mankind...

Yes, Anthony, I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you. I can tell by your conclusion it must be "double speak" that this topic has confused you. It is not a difficult concept to grasp, but perhaps the way it was worded hampered your understanding. I'm not always the most...

Exactly!!! Now you are getting closer to Scripture. Christ was unjustly condemned by the Jewish leaders and handed over to the hands of "wicked men" under whom He suffered and died by the pre-determined plan of God. See? Scripture is complete. We do not need to add to it (there are no...

No. I expect Christians to be able to identify Scripture and use their Bibles to test what is said. I was a child I would ask my mother how to spell a word. She would make me get a dictionary. She did not give me hints but I had to search the word out. I believe you are old enough to use...

What does God's law require for the charges against Christ? Crucifixion? Hanging on a tree? No, of course not. Hanging a body on a tree was a sign of being under God's curse. But under God's law Christ would have been taken out and stoned. Then His body would have been hung on a tree in...

Then you may want to study logical fallacies so you do not fall into the trap. This is called Argumentum ad populum. It is, of course, false because PSA has never been the majority Christian position. But even if it had that would not make the statement true. This is called petitio principii...

I already said the cross was necessary. The cross is absolutely necessary. But you are missing the question. I am not saying why Jesus had to die. I am asking why the cross (was the cross itself necessary)? PSA does not care about the cross. What matters is that Christ died in public and on...

Logical fallacies (again).

Yes. I provided scripture (not the references) but I got philosophy and doublespeak in return. That is the issue. When ever we see anyone say "this is the clear biblical teaching" when what they are saying is not in the actual text of Scripture then we know what they are saying is false. In...