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Christ suffered the wages of sin. He shared in our infirmity. Like I said, there are penal and substitutionary aspects of reconciliation. Where PSA goes wrong is at its start. It assumes God holds to a worldly humanistic philosophy and applies that in a very flawed way to divine justice...

I have. Scripture tells us. Christ does not save us from the wages of sin which is death but through death. It is appointed man once to die and then the Judgment. Those who die in Christ will yet live. All judgment is given Christ. The issue is PSA is an amalgamation of Scripture and...

By the words. PSA does not exist in the text of Scripture. "God loved the world by sending His Son that all who believes will have everlasting life" is not PSA. You see PSA between the lines, but it us not really there. Scripture is not a bunch of dots needing to be connected.

We can agree to disagree (I told you at the start I would not have rejected PSA a few years ago). That said, it seems to be arrogance to insist I hold my view out of pride. A few years ago I preached a sermon on the cross. It outlined PSA very well. The next morning I had a conviction I had...

No. Not turning over a new leaf (that sounds superficial). But the Bible says if we repent God is just to forgive. The idea God has to punish sin in order to forgive sinners exists only in PSA (at one time it existed only in Calvinism). It is not in the Bible because it is based on a 16th...

We die to our sins. God tells us it is an abomination to condemn the righteous and to acquit the guilty. So we know PSA is a false doctrine. But there remains one solution - one that is a righteous apart from the law. Make the guilty innocent. How? One must be born again. There is no...

I believe God is just to forgive those who repent. Justice is never directed at actions but at people who commit those actions. There are two possible ways justice is served - punishment through the law or a rebirth apart from the law. God deals with justice by men dying to sin and bring made...

God loved the world by sending His Son that all who believes will have everlasting life. It is that simple. PSA is an anti-biblical myth standing in opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ.

@justbyfaith, I apologize if I come across overly critical. I came out of that error a few years ago. I think knowing now what it corrupts makes me argue that much stronger against it. A few years ago I would not have changed my mind. I know this. I do not expect to change minds. I hope...

To start I'll offer the parables of the kingdom. PSA denies that they accurately represent the kingdom (think, for example, of the landowner or the king - the son is sent and is killed by those to whom the son was sent). Then, of course, we have Scripture stating that condemning the righteous...

Sure. I mean a "wicked turn", not necessarily wicked like evil but a sharp departure from Scripture. The reason I believe it is wrong is it applies a worldly philosophy (a 16th century judicial philosophy associated with the humanism of that day) and in so doing removes divine justice as...

Here's a good definition: “The doctrine of Penal Substitution states that God gave Himself in the Person of His Son to suffer instead of us the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty of sin”. (Pierced for my Transgressions) At glance it appears biblical. A closer...

Perhaps. But we cannot say because that is not in the Bible. We have Scripture to go on, not theories. What the Bible teaches is Christ shared in our infirmity (our sickness), became one of us and experienced the wages of sin (death) for us so that we would have life - NOT so that we would...

The issue is brutality and the abuse of power.

I like the "Ransom Theory" as a general theory (it was not always expressed as God paying a ransom to Satan). I agree that Satan uses God's laws against man. It is important to realize, IMHO, that our redemption is God's righteousness manifested apart from the law. That is a key feature to...

Seems there is an issue (I don't know it is necessarily race, but at least one of brutality). https://nypost.com/2020/05/28/mississippi-cop-on-leave-after-video-shows-his-hands-around-mans-neck/ Miami Beach Rough Arrest Of Young Woman Captured On Video During Spring Break...

The word propitiation speaks of men, through Christ, escaping the wrath to come. Christ bore our sins, became a curse for us. He shared in our infirmity and by His stripes we are healed. There are penal and substitutionary aspects to the atonement but the Penal Substitution Theory of Atonement...

Several times I have seen advocates of the Theory of Penal Substitution Atonement (PSA) comment that they do not understand how other theories necessitate the cross. I hold a Christus Victor view of Reconciliation. This view considers God as sending His Son as a sin offering, that it pleased...

Outstanding point! This is the difference between learning and indoctrination. There are people who will insist that God has given the church teachers....that is, the teachers who agree with them. Many want a summary, a belief given to them - not earned.

Thank you. That actually was the center of Barth's theology (not that I follow Barth). He insisted that any attempt to know God except through the person of Christ is philosophy and not really theology. The Theory of Penal Substitution Atonement seeks to know God by going around Christ and in...