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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    True Johann, Jesus was given the Fullness and the Glory, after his death and at his resurrection as the Scripture teaches.
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Needed faith just as you do! Thanks for the question, it's more than struggling Johann managed last night! He was floundering badly.
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You would need a mind of faith to interpret that verse! Jesus was exemplary in his faith and understanding the outworking of Gods Glory. Whats odd is once again you remove yourself from the same Glory. F2F
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    “And you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in THE BODY of his flesh through death” Col 1:21 You don't believe Jesus is part of his own BODY, right?! Why "in" the Body of his flesh Johann? What did God accomplish in the Body of...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Surely you can provide your insights?
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Johann, still no answers? Why would Jesus be praying to God with strong crying and tears to be saved from death? Surely you know, because I don't know what I am talking about so please explain. F2F 5:7 During his earthly life Christ offered both requests and supplications, with loud cries...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    “And you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled in THE BODY of his flesh through death” Col 1:21 You don't believe Jesus is part of his own BODY, right?! Why "in" the Body of his flesh Johann? :IDK:
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Again, no answer. If you can't give an answer of the hope that is in you, what are we to assume? 1 Peter 3:15 F2F
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I could be mistaken, but I think there might be some Trinitarians reading this, wondering how Johann can still maintain his faith when he struggles to respond to even the simplest questions from the clearest verses. I would genuinely be interested to hear from any honest Trinitarians who could...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You believe in pretend tears don't you Johann - go on be honest! In the days of his flesh, (context, yes!) Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him (God) who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Heb 5:7 Who was he...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Unfortunately, I have presented at least seven examples, but you've dismissed them all due to your preconceived Trinitarian beliefs. I'll leave you to reflect on the evidence in your own time, Johann. It was interesting to see your reactions, but now it’s becoming tedious watching you struggle...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    And I would have thought will all those commentaries at your finger tips you would have known this? Lets post it again for emphasis! And he entered once for all into the most holy place not by the blood of goats and calves but by his own blood, and so he himself secured eternal redemption...
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Hebrews 9:12, when referring to "for us," is not present in some of the earliest manuscript copies of the text. Once again I see your pain!
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    What's worse, is that I've already given him the verse he asked for. Do you @Wrangler @APAK think he'll come back and admit that Hebrews 9:12 is emphatically true and correct? Not a chance! 1. By his own blood! 2. Double emphaisis "He himself" Its as though the Word is wanting it to lodge...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    And this all you could write Johann, why? because you don't understand the true Christ and His God and how The God of peace who by the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead the great shepherd (Jesus) of the sheep You can't even recognize the means by which God raised His...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I'm clueless and you don't even know what the word redemption means! 5. and he entered once for all into the most holy place not by the blood of goats and calves but by his own blood, and so he (Jesus) himself secured eternal redemption Heb 9:12 λύω and Compounds. The Gk. word λύω “to loose”...
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    "To save him from death!" 4. Now may the God of peace who by the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead the great shepherd (Jesus) of the sheep, our Lord Jesus Christ, Heb 13:20 Lets add the Scriptures up as you show your ignorance and the Word of God reveal it's truth! 1...
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    "To save him from death!" 3. For the death he died, he died to sin (synonymous with flesh!) once for all, but the life he lives, he lives to God. Rom 6:10. Lets add the Scriptures up as you show your ignorance and the Word of God reveal it's truth! 1. Jesus offering up strong tears and crying...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    To save him from death! 2. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. Romans 6:9 Lets add the Scriptures up as you show your ignorance and the Word of God shows it's truth! 1. Jesus offering up strong tears and crying to...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Now @Wrangler @APAK We need to leave the Trinitarians behind again, not willingly, but of their own choosing! Look and marvel at this: And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him (Christ) on white horses. Re 19:14. The forces in the coming political...