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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler @APAK You will notice: this: And he (Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, Comes before this: and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. Christ being raised up in sins flesh and being redeemed by his own blood resulted in him being called "The Word of...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I think you should change your name to Nabal (נָבָל) and I say that respectfully with the full intent Scripture gives it! I will post one verse proving this truth for every foolish reply! In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to God...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler @APAK Cont...(Interesting fact about the translation!) Consequently, the image presented here differs from that in Isaiah 63:1-4, where the Victor over Edom is shown with blood-splattered garments due to many slain. However, to connect it with this Old Testament prophecy, a few...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Lets move onto to deeper lessons about the Lord and His Suffering in Sin's Flesh "And he (Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. Re 19:13. @Wrangler @APAK The term "vesture" is translated from himation, which refers to an...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Post Exploring Trinitarian Logic It will stand as an irrefutable argument against your cherished doctrine. I'm still processing how Johann disbelieves the Logos begins with Thought! F2F
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    As you well know "we" have well and truly refuted the Trinity from almost every angle! Correct. The Apostle Paul mentions this twice x2 here: I've shown you this before so lets look at it from a different angle? 14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You You speak on his behalf J?
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    God was not in Sins Flesh BUT He revealed Himself through it in the Son of Man. Well done for posting multiple versions with the same meaning! F2F
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Johann has himself backed into a corner with his "merely" comment. Back to School for this wayward disciple! In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Ge 1:1. John 1:1, it is stated that "in the beginning" was the Word, or Logos. In the beginning was the Word Jn 1:1. The...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Again you state God's Logos is merely an expression of God's Mind. It's also noted you did not answer the questions! Where did Creation - Physical and Spiritual originate? Are you suggesting the Mind of Yahweh is merely?
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's amazing how @Johann can downplay the mind of God as merely in comparison to his formulated creeds. It's as if he elevates the language of the creed above the very outward expression of Almighty God Himself. Christ is the Word made flesh, the manifestation of Yahweh among men (1 Tim...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Where did Creation - Physical and Spiritual originate? Are you suggesting the Mind of Yahweh is merely?
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I will list what has been proven from Scripture and extra-biblical texts. Correct The Glory which God would Glorify His Son is the Same Glory God He has alway held - Also Romans 8:30 speaking of the Saints which is the same Glory. You & @Johann continually write yourselves out of the Plan &...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Trinitarians often accuse Unitarians of starting with the assumption that God is only one person, but this is not the case. What is assumed is that the Bible is a coherent literary work, consistent in its language. This means that if language is used to define God as a single person, it should...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    One Almighty God Who is the Godhead
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Unitarian
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    2 Persons and Power :gd
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    There must be a number old/er believers on this website! hehe Dont worry I'm getting up there! No...most Scripture requires thought and interpretation. Correct. Correct. The are nations / empires! Correct The first creature emerges from the sea, while the second rises from the earth. The...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's getting old now Johann - you are like a contortionists with the word-a twist here and twist there! How did God condemn sin in the body of Jesus Johann? For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin...