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Correct both speak to the One Almighty God Who Created His firstborn Son in the Nation of Israel (Exo 4:22) and then again with the Lord Jesus Christ (Word made Flesh!) John 1:14 F2F

I agree with that! That's why every chapter is filled with symbolism, which very few truly understand due to the various interpretive methodologies out there. The correct interpretation is the same one used for Daniel and Ezekiel's prophecies: Continuous Historic. F2F

Interesting... so what you're suggesting is that God cannot define Himself within a logical framework...to also imply He is illogical. God is not able to demonstrate reasoning? This would imply that it is impossible for you to know Him without any certainty. It is logical that an Eternal...

The churchs were real RLT but they also speak to the most important symbolic lessons...

Everything is symbolic, including the churches. While these symbols point to literal truths / events, they must be understood through interpretation. Happy for you to test this... F2F

Where is everyone? - it had to happen eventually! I just hope our Father has 7000 tucked away in a cave somewhere! F2F

You should have stated the positive. The Shema, as presented in the Old Testament and affirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ, offers insight and understanding of the Godhead. It is important to read the Word through the lens of its original audience! This is where the Early Church Fathers (ECF)...

There is a flaw in your example Red. P1 is rejected by Christ Himself, which means: P1 contains erroneous statements based on the Lord's words. P2 is correct, as only God has inherent goodness. C: A conclusion that is completely unrelated to both P1 and P2. Jesus said "Why do you call me...

Where are you getting this from Mono?

Your reference includes both natural and spiritual aspects, so the parameters of the syllogism are crucial. @Wrangler is using logic based on certain rules to arrive at a position that, in my opinion, aligns with both his understanding and the Word of God. Let me show you: Would you agree with...

RLT not every one can interpret the Revelation so don't feel dissapointed if your literal approach isn't working. The whole work is symbolic! F2F

The 144,000 represent the total number of the redeemed. This is evident from Revelation 14:3, where they are referred to as "the redeemed" (those acquired by the Lamb through the ransom, or price paid, namely His blood) "from the earth." The exact number of the redeemed, purchased with the...

Summary: For the Trinity to be valid, there are irreconcilable teachings that Trinitarians cannot explain: Here are some which I have taken from this discussion 1. The true nature of Christ cmp to claimed dualism (This has no evidence at all!) 2. Separate Persons cmp to the confusion of...

I believe the number is symbolic of 12 (Jews) x 12 (Gentiles) who represent the sands without number! Actually if you look at the numbers in Revelation which lead up to the 144,000 it's interesting!

As we see in this Trinity discussion, many people hold deeply entrenched beliefs that they refuse to change, no matter the evidence. Over the past twelve months, I’ve had hundreds of conversations with Johann, and there are likely countless unanswered questions that he simply cannot address. All...

I believe we all struggle with this, but Jehovah's Witnesses are particularly confident in their doctrines and rehearse them consistently, which makes them especially convincing to those who are more vulnerable (weak minded). F2F

They perceive themselves as similar to Israel, viewing themselves as witnesses of God. I have researched their origins and early beliefs, which have evolved significantly over time. F2F

I've been disappointed with the level of knowledge and understanding on the subject overall. A lot of unanswered questions in these threads that is attempted should draw sincere believers to a more solid foundation. F2F

@RedFan Out of interest how have you found the Trinity debate since the rule was lifted?

I don't like their interpration of the 144,000 which tends to promote a "works based" religion. Reminds me a little of the sons of Zebedee. F2F