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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann Just out of curiosity, when Jesus gave commandments by the Holy Spirit (as seen in Acts 1:1-2), was this an instance of one "co-equal" commanding another "co-equal"? In your view, does this imply that Christ is also subservient to the Holy Spirit? F2F
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Spirit of Truth comes from the Father and it is He who dwells in us by His Spirit. Spirit of Truth comes from the Father and it is He who dwells in us by His Spirit. Spirit of Truth comes from the Father and it is He who dwells in us by His Spirit. He is personified Would you have...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Yet, Johann, you continue to do so, and each time we discuss the things of God, you are left with unanswered questions that are accumulating to the point where it seems they may become insurmountable for you to overcome! I don't stand exposed, as I have the true covering of Christ and I...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The infection has run so deep its in your bones in the marrow. The Holy Spirit is the power of God (Luke 1:35). When the Holy Spirit acts, it is essentially God who is acting. For instance, when it says, "The Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit... shall teach you all things" (John 14:26), it...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him. 17 And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I've shown you OT & NT harmonies and you use the word "hinted" Please Johann, do better than this...at the very least read the Apostles work on the true nature of Christ and then discover the Oneness of God. And why would you do this? Provide the specific evidence that points to a corruption...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann Are you seriously suggesting these verses support the doctrine of the Trinity? 1. at Jesus' baptism (Mat_3:16-17) 2. the great commission (Mat_28:19) 3. the Spirit sent (Joh_14:26) 4. Peter's Pentecost sermon (Act_2:33-34) 5. Paul's discussion of flesh and spirit (Rom_8:7-10) 6. Paul's...
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I understand your perspective, but I can assure you that my thoughts are both clear and intentional. Let's keep this discussion respectful and focus on the actual points being made. I’m open to hearing your views, provided you can communicate openly and honestly. However, it would be more...
  9. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    @Brakelite if you think God would be satisfied with the death of an angel (impossible) or weirdly Himself (impossible) you have missed the mark. F2F
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I dont know if you can see how this looks my end Johann but you do yourselves no favours speaking to verses like this in support of the Trinity The verse is not found in the earliest Greek manuscripts of 1 John. The earliest reliable manuscripts, such as Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus...
  11. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    We die for two reasons: 1. We are born with inherited mortality The best verse to explain this of Christ would be Romans 6:9 We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 2. The wages of sin is death Romans 6:23 AND 1 John 3:4...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    As Brakelite is finding its essential for his salvation!
  13. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    What I'm essentially asking is for you to define what that prepared body was and why it was necessary for an obedient life to be laid down in that body. The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 1 Corinth 15:56 It was God who applied the Law in the beginning and it would be...
  14. face2face

    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I think a better phrase is he was "made" sin for us. There are four scriptural expressions applied to Christ that those who struggle to accept the key truth about Christ's offering "first for himself" often have difficulty with. These expressions are typically handled cautiously or are...
  15. face2face

    Doctrine doesn’t matter as much as love

    Is this coming from a place of personal experience? I ask because many have expressed frustration with your inability to logically and coherently follow Scripture.
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Do you know the irony of this title Son of Man is that in thirteen passages in John and as mentioned by @Wrangler last week the Gospel of John would have to be the most anti-trinitarian Gospel book we have and yet look at what they do to it! F2F
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The Harlot has many daughters all of whom share that formulated doctrine of the Trinity. F2F
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The issue, is not just your inability to believe in the Son of Man, but your inability to even acknowledge (discuss) him as such. It's as if you only want to understand the Divine without recognizing how He became Divine. Rejecting the Son of Man is ultimately rejecting the Glorified Christ...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    For everyone else....The divine voice that speaks to Ezekiel addresses him over ninety times as “son of man” (= “O human being”), a term that highlights the contrast between the heavenly message and the mortal recipient. More pertinently, in the Aramaic of Dan 7:13 “one like a son of man”...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You discard the most important aspect of the Master for the sole purpose of elavating him beyond his present position. Strange how believers can justify this. The Son of Man This title embraces the work of God in Jesus as does no other idea! By way of statistics, “[the] Son of Man” appears...