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  1. BeforeThereWas

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    Ok. Perhaps I can make some clarifications. Ephesians 2:14 — For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; As you likely know, thats Paul speaking to Gentiles who are ofnthe body of Chist. That was only after that middle wall of...
  2. BeforeThereWas

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    You misunderstood. I didn't not say that wall is still in place now. I said it was taken down. So, getting this back on track, please address what I stated. I would very much appreciate that. Thanks BTW
  3. BeforeThereWas

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    I agree with your first paragraph, where Gentiles knew of God's existence from what is evident within nature, but that doesn't mean they had faith without hearing and were saved by a name they did not know to call upon. I'm still waiting to be shown where they had faith. Knowing of God's...
  4. BeforeThereWas

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    Interesting. So in all that from Romans 1, which verse says they could be SAVED without believing the gospel? Given that there is no other name under Heaven whereby a man is saved, how did they know His name from mere nature in order to call upon Him in faith? Given that faith comes by...
  5. BeforeThereWas

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    You really should read what Jesus and Paul both said about Gentiles. Then perhaps you will recognize your error...or not. The ad hominem nature of your posts to me speak loud volumes to us all when you sit there attacking anothers character rather than discussing only the topic itself. Very sad...
  6. BeforeThereWas

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    Sorry, but this broad brush stroke labeling of anyone is wrong at the most basic levels. Not only am I Israeli, but I also have a mixture of Cherokee. Your standard for assessing people from pagan nation background is questionable at best, and can be used to relegate people like me as pagan...
  7. BeforeThereWas

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    When I see people perpetuating eisegetical injections into the scriptures, that's when red alarm bells start going off in my head. The texts say nothing about her religion, so why put that into an appearance of a quote? BTW
  8. BeforeThereWas

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    Jesus called only Gentiles "dogs," not we of Israel. He called us the "children." I'm sure you know this. The Lord did not address Gentiles as dogs on the mere basis of sin on all our part, but because of that middle wall of partition that was the basis for the requirement for Gentiles to join...
  9. BeforeThereWas

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    Gentiles partake of the blessings as co-heirs with Christ, but Gentiles do not partake of the promises of the Kingdom since that is only valid to Israel and those Gentiles who became/become Jews for their salvation before and after we who are saved by grace through faith. Replacement Theology...
  10. BeforeThereWas

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    Appeals to authority end up being the go-to in these discussions. Suffice it to say that "testament" is indeed a credible and expressive term for what Jesus had been saying for some time that His own disciples could not understand and were afraid to ask. For the new and final redemption of...
  11. BeforeThereWas

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    When we read Genesis 1 and 2, we read that man was given the herbs and seeds to eat. Then in Genesis 9 we read that man could eat anything that moved upon the earth. Then in Leviticus 11, the Jews are restricted as to what animals the y could eat. So, yes, same message (in this case, dietary...
  12. BeforeThereWas

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    As another reinforcement to your statement is this from Paul: 1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. BTW
  13. BeforeThereWas

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    The ramifications remain a mystery to so many: Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. It's amazing how ignored this remain to this day. Replacement theology, in its many manifestations, makes it VERY easy to ignore this verse and...
  14. BeforeThereWas

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    And yet that cup of the new covenant was passed into the hands of Israel. There wasn't one Gentile hand in the ring of that passing. BTW
  15. BeforeThereWas

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    So, are you saying that among us believers here on earth right now, even when we are in Christ, there is no male nor female distinctions? BTW
  16. BeforeThereWas

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    I'm not looking forward to it because we of the body of Christ will not inhabit that Kingdom. We will be in Heavenly places, as it is written, where our treasures will be. I'm Israeli, and I'm still not looking for that Kingdom since I know we won't be in that Kingdom on this earth or the one...
  17. BeforeThereWas

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    I don't know who taught you that stuff, but we who are of Israel and who are Messianic in our beliefs know that the earthly Kingdom is indeed still coming, but only delayed for these past coupe of thousand years for YOUR benefit who were once no better than DOGS! Do you get that? Matthew 16:28...
  18. BeforeThereWas

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    Christ was and is indeed the foundation of both gospels, but the two gospels (one preached by Peter and the other by Paul) are not one and the same in every respect. THAT is what I've been saying. BTW
  19. BeforeThereWas

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    Peter's gospel was indeed different from that of Paul. They are not one and the same in every respect apart the one commonality, which is Christ. The OTHER elements are what's different. Paul never preached the necessity for any work of effort for salvation. Peter, on the other hand, preached...
  20. BeforeThereWas

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    I've heard that before, but that understanding is lacking in sticking to what was actually written. Paul called upon the accursedness only upon those who preach another gospel to the body of Christ under Paul's ministry. We can read the text carefully to see this: Galatians 1:8 — But though we...