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  1. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS

    Apples to oranges comparisons prove nothing...other than there being a difference. To show my point in this that there are is more than one gospel: Galatians 1:11-12 — But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    Philip did indeed preach a gospel to others...the Kingdom Gospel requiring water baptism for the remission of sins, which is not a valid requirement upon the body of Christ today...although there are some churchianity organizations today that do preach water baptism as a requirement for...
  3. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS

    Nope. Not just one gospel. The differences have already been shown earlier in this thread. The proof is there. BTW
  4. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS

    The direction doesn't change the meaning, as you may know. All we have to do is look at the two gospels to see the differences in the elements of the two gospels. BTW
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    LACK of Ethics and Morality in Business

    My wife and I just got back from one of those overstock stores where they dump returned items they bought in bulk into tubs for people to dig through, with everything on Saturday being $10, with the prices going down to $1 by Wednesday or Thursday. The mad rush to get to the bins first was...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    Generally speaking, there are some out there who think that they can foist upon that reference in Galatians 2 the idea that the language is addressing ONLY two groupings of people rather than pointing toward two different gospels. There's no end to how dishonest some will be with their handling...
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    LACK of Ethics and Morality in Business

    We cannot trust much of retail operations out there in these days of increasing GREED labeled as "inflation" my misleading industry, media and government claims. Retailers are as bad if not worse than raw material and final output manufacturers who have ALL raised pricing for the sake of...
  8. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS

    Then please explain Galatians 1: 11-12 and how that doesn't show TWO. Paul persecuted believing Jews on the basis of the Kingdom Gospel, and then preached the Gospel of Grace, which he had not learned from men as he had the Gospel of the Kingdom, preaching the grace gospel to Gentiles. How do...
  9. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS

    This was addressed to Israel, and Israel alone from Jesus Himself, keeping in mind that ALL of scripture is inspired by this same Lord and Christ: Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Keeping in mind what Jesus said: Matthew...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Compare: 1 Corinthians 15:2-4 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    Galatians 1:11-12 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Given that Paul persecuted the believing Jews on the basis of what he learned from...
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    Finite Sin, but Everlasting Hell

    This thread is based upon the question about Hell and the justice for it being everlasting. There are several out there who don't understand the justice behind people being allowed to suffer the torment of their own choices. They ask why finite sins are not paid for through finite torment. This...
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    Finite Sin, but Everlasting Hell

    Some basic claifications In relation to Hell, torture is not the same thing as torment. 1) Torture versus torment: Torture is The sadistic infliction of pain for mere enjoyment or sport. Torment is the result of choice(s) made whereby the outcome becomes torment to the individual. Now...
  14. BeforeThereWas

    TWO GOSPELS

    As I had stated before, what Jesus passed on wasn't a covenant. The newer translation panels seem to have had an axe to grind. As stated in post #85, calling it a "covenant" is only an inroad for replacement theology, which ignores the fact that, until Acts 9 and beyond, Gentiles had to join...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    There are those who may disagree with this, but here goes: Biblical covenants are generally earthly, national, Israel-centered in nature and practice. For reference: Abrahamic Covenant – land, nation, blessing (Gen. 12, 15, 17) Mosaic Covenant – law, performance-based blessings/curses (Ex...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    Additionally, covenants end with the death of one or both parties of the covenant unless specifically agreed upon as binding beyond the originator and second party to the succeeding generations of one or both. BTW
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    Breaking Through Churchianity Deadness

    Churchianity's deadness can be blamed upon, to a great degree, the loss of the life-giving power of the gospel Paul preached and the failure to walk in the identity and calling of the Body of Christ. Here are some helpful, biblical reasons why churchianity seems so dead to many, especially...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    That's an interesting section of scripture, especially as it pertains to that cup the Lord passed to His disciples. Looking at the two terms in question, a covenant versus a testament, they are somewhat related but still distinct concepts. A covenant is a mutual agreement between two living...
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    TWO GOSPELS

    Replacement theology has all that shifted over to Gentiles. Gotta love subjective hermeneutics within Evangelicalism. The tragedy of that, however, is that such thinking among them makes God out to be a scoundrel who goes back on His word...that His promises are meaningless. They would then be...