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  1. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Hmmm, "entombed," or "bound"... another very misunderstood concept... And "the millennium"... different understandings among many regarding the nature of this "thousand years" and when it is... And "obliterated"... <chuckles> Not in the sense of annihilation... Right, all will be made brand...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    But if they have been born again of the Spirit, they will not "take the Mark of the Beast." Because their will is no longer to do the will of their former father, the devil (John 6, 8, and 10) but to do the will of the Father. Never does Paul teach or even insinuate that we can lose our...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    <chuckles> Disagree, of course... Sure. When Jesus comes back (bringing all the saints who have gone on before), He will seize ~ in the sense of finally claiming, taking back, and redeeming all that is His, all of creation included. It is not in the sense of "removing" anybody and taking...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    ..."must soon take place..." Couldn't you possibly understand that as soon starting to take place, Rockerduck? And I'm not necessarily saying, at least right now, that you should or shouldn't. But can you not think that is possibly a valid way to understand that? And 'soon' is used in...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Not at all. I'm not even sure how you come to that conclusion, but no matter. Like Peter says (citing Isaiah, of course), "all flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls, but the word of the Lord remains/endures forever."...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Both Moses and Elijah were shadows/types of Christ. Just to elaborate a bit on what I said previously, in Revelation 11, the witnesses work miraculous signs of judgment, in a manner reminiscent of Moses and Elijah, two great miracle-working prophets from the Old Testament. Like Moses and...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    So here's what I say, William: I say, like John indicates in Revelation 10:1-11... the vision of Revelation 10:1-11 speaks in a general fashion of John’s being empowered to continue to prophesy... the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are models for all the saints to imitate. All of us are to...
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    Satan and his demons are real beings/entities (with personalities) not abstract evil within unregenerate man

    Right, but there are instances in Scripture where He is called "the angel of God." These are in the Old Testament, and we call them theophanies; they are pre-advent appearances of Christ. For sure. A little lower than, as the Psalmist says (8:5), quoted by the writer of Hebrews (2:7). And...
  9. PinSeeker

    Why the great chain?

    Might be... somewhat... interesting to know what each individual here thinks "Satan entered into him" actually means... That seems to be a big issue in just about every thread and every topic discussed on here. Maybe the first step is to define the specifics first, and agree on that if...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Part of the problem here is that everybody here thinks they are.... "rightly dividing" Scripture. So just saying, "I'm doing that and you're not!"... everybody here is doing that, and thinks they're right. Right? <smile> So anyone here can offer their opinion, and in the end, that's all...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    An interesting question... Or if there even is a "Rapture" at all, right Peter? <smile> Grace and peace to you.
  12. PinSeeker

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Sure, those in Christ and those not, those born again of the Spirit and those not, believers and unbelievers, elect of God and not... yeah. And with regard to faith, those with true faith, which, by definition, is God's assurance of things hoped for given to us, and conviction in us by the Holy...
  13. PinSeeker

    "True" Israel?

    Jesus didn't replace Jacob, per se. Jesus is the second Adam, and succeeded where Adam failed. When Adam ate the fruit, he ~ and all humanity to come because of what he did ~ failed, and God promised a Savior... Jesus, of course, in Genesis 3:15. And of course that came to full fruition later...
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    And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

    He's still alive? Where is he? I would so love to meet him! <chuckles> Grace and peace to you, Matthew. <smile>
  15. PinSeeker

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    We think the same of each other, then, there, for sure. Except I would state in this way: It's so ridiculous the way you... "think." <chuckles> Two examples: 1. Regarding Hebrews 11:1 and your statement that "Other translations don't word it that way," right, other translations, instead of...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Yes, we disagree. Which we knew long before now. Plenty more to refute in your post, but no need to do so yet again. Maybe just a couple of clarifications... _______________________________________________________________________________________ Firstly: In the sense that none of us are...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Okay I'm wrapping this up... <chuckles> It means, Spiritual Israelite, that not all believers are specially gifted by the Holy Spirit in every one of the spiritual gifts. This is what Paul is saying in 1 Corinthians 12. But at the same time, the inference can be made ~ because Paul says...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Well, right... with respect to what Paul mentions in Romans 12 and 1 Corinthians 12... those are the gifts of the Spirit, that, yes, for each one, some are specially gifted in by the Spirit. Yes. Agreed. Grace and peace to you.
  19. PinSeeker

    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    God is one. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One. All true wisdom and of course truth come from Him. Jesus is the embodiment of these things, and the Spirit works them in us in various ways. Ugh. <smile> Regarding gifts of the Spirit, uh, okaaaaaaaaay... but I might rather say one man does...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    SALVATION, BELIEF, AND GOOD WORKS: He did teach this. He did. The problem is that you either can't or won't acknowledge the simultaneous now and not yet. Observe: NOW ~ We have been saved: In what Paul is saying in Ephesians 2 in particular, he is saying ~ beyond the shadow of a doubt ~...