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HONESTY, LYING, AND MISUNDERSTANDING: (I have to sort of chuckle at this one... it shouldn't be necessary...) Okay, good, but then at the very least, you are misunderstanding me, and mistakenly attributing things to me that are not so. Well, no, I can't, even by my own standards. Or...

FAITH AND GRACE AND FREE WILL: We are required, SI, to exercise our faith, to walk in it. But faith itself is not a work of man. Never is it so. <eye roll> Unmerited favor. Do you deny that? I hope not... <chuckles> Ah, so now we're back to free will. Which is where you always were on...

Okay, I'm going to break this up, in the hopes that we can close the book at least one of the following subjects: SPIRITUAL GIFTS First let me say this: Do you just not understand what I mean by "gifted," or by "particularly gifted," by the Holy Spirit? I mean, you're statement here... or...

You did, and you do later in this very post. Right, we agree on that, but you said "God HAS 7 Spirits," which... yeah, no, God is spirit (John 4:24), which I think you know, and there is one Holy Spirit, Who is the third Person of the triune God. So then you said, "God Blesses, particular men...

There is only one Holy Spirit. Just as there is one Father and one Son. <smile> And they are all one in each other. And none of us Christians have literally seven spirits. You would do well, Taken, to think of the number seven throughout the Bible, and especially in Revelation, in terms of...

And I am, and I do. But even in your statement here, which is true, nothing is being said here about whether Christians have faith or not; they do. I'm not sure why you insist, even generally speaking, not being particularly gifted in something necessarily means then that you can't do or don't...

But I do; You just think I don't understand. And I would say the exact same thing of you, Spiritual Israelite. And that's not meant in any kind of disparaging way. We should be able to leave it at that, or at least leave it at that after having discussed it once or twice, which we have... and...

In your opinion. Yeah, got it, loud and clear. And I'm perfectly fine with you saying the same thing right back to me. As far as I know though, Moses's teachings about grace were taught in the OT.... and the prophets... <chuckles> Jesus said so... <chuckles> No, because it's not about how...

All Christians have faith, which is a gift of the Spirit, the gift of God. Faith is not, though, necessarily the particular gifting they have from the Spirit. Frankly, I'm not sure if that's just hard for you to understand or if you're just trying to, oh, make me contradict myself or...

Right, I agree, in the sense that not all Christians are particularly gifted in the same way(s). I agree, SI, but not in the sense that other Christians "can't do" the same things that Christians who are particularly gifted in these areas, but rather in the sense that those who are not...

He said only some Christians are particularly gifted by the Spirit in the things he mentioned. In know way, shape, or form did he say or insinuate that other Christians couldn't do those things. Okay, sure. But with regard to faith in particular, if we did not have faith, we would not be...

Only that it was a general comment to the conversation that was going on. Think about it, SI. Not that you're not, but just not... well... I guess. That conjunction 'and' is important; it shows that No, of those he used the word translated 'dissolved,' and something can be dissolved in the...

No, it's talking about the level of faith that some Christians are particularly gifted with. Saving faith is saving faith. Again, some Christians are particularly gifted in it by the Spirit. The same is true of the other gifts of the Spirit mentioned. Take wisdom, for instance. All...

"the earth will be destroyed by fire when Jesus returns (2 Peter 3:10-12). " Actually, Peter says there in verse 12 that "the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed." He says nothing about the earth itself being...

Okay, cool. But it is what it is. <smile> I did not say faith ~ salvific faith ~ was given to all, but only to those of us who have been saved. This faith, Trekson, by definition, as I said, is given by God. We have the very definition of faith, in Hebrews 11:1... "faith is the assurance of...

We will all be judged in the final Judgment of Revelation 20:11-14. Corelating it to the way Jesus depicts it in Matthew 25:31-46, the ones on Jesus's right are judged in Revelation 20:12, and the ones on Jesus's left in Revelation 20:13. Revelation 20:4-6 is a resurrection, for sure, but...

Yes, they are, but you're missing ~ or avoiding ~ the point. Read what Paul said in Romans 4 again. It's not difficult. Well, good. But faith itself is a gift of the Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:9). And faith is given to us by.... Somebody. <smile> We do not manufacture our own faith; we...

Disagree. The time of tribulation is now, in this life, just as Jesus said. And again, you're conflating tribulation, which we have now, and God's wrath which is still yet to come and will only be... experienced... in the form of eternal punishment, the second death, by the unrepentant, those...

Oh, so now you're admitting that there is such a thing, at least... <chuckles> As I said, though, it wasn't "prophesied," it was pronounced... God said, since this has happened, since Adam has done this, this is how things will be from now on, and this is what I will do. I mean it's fine with...

In your opinion. Yeah, totally get it. God deals with people ~ all people ~ differently than he originally dealt with Adam and Eve prior to the events of Genesis 3. This is first announced in Genesis 3:15, and is the same today, and will be until Jesus returns. Noone is doing that; it is...