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    THE FAITH OF CHRIST

    In the Greek, there is neither and "of" or an "in" for the phrase "faith of/iin Jesus Christ". It is a genitive as you indicated. However, the genitive in Greek can and often does take the form of an objective genitive, meaning here that Jesus Christ is the object in the phrase. Most scholars...
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    If God did not impute their sins to them, they wouldn't need to be reconciled. Forgiveness of sins is not the negation of sins but rather the negation of the penalty demanded for the sin. That is accomplished through Jesus Christ's sacrifice of having paid the penalty demanded. That is how our...
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    I did. I explained what you are wrong about. The foreknowledge spoken of in verse 29 is the foreknowledge of "those who love God" in verse 28. Then in verse 29 Paul says that those are the ones He predestined to be conform to the image of Jesus Christ. Ahd those He predestined He called...
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    Yeah, I understand the post. But you are wrong. And clearly you do not understand Romans 8:29-30 since Romans 8:28 defines who is being referenced in Romans 8:29-30; i.e., who are they that God did foreknow, predestine and call.
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    You have obviously missed a very important part of that passage. In verse 29 who did God foreknow? Clearly, God foreknows everything and everyone. But who are the ones God did foreknow that is being discussed here? Verses 29 and 30 do not identify who it was that God did foreknow. But verse...
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    Did you exist before you were born?
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    There is no indication that they existed at all --period. So I haven't misrepresented what you said. As I said, it is only in the foreknowledge of God that any were elect.
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    All of that is simply God's foreknowledge, not any pre-existent being.
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    Define "righteous", "understands", "seeks" and "does good" as applied in that passage.
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    The elect do not even exist from eternity, so they cannot be justified from eternity. Now God knew from eternity who He would justify. but until such time that happened at some point in the life of the one being justified, they were not. Were they ungodly from eternity? If they were...
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    Even demons believe (James 2:19). You cannot believe in God without believing God. Believing in God is both believing God and trusting God. That's by definition. Those precious few who find the Straight and Narrow gate that leads to LIFE are the ones who God will "elect" (Rom 5:28-30).
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    It is in God's act of justifying the ungodly that repentant believers are saved. They are saved by grace through faith. OBVIOUSLY, faith is the condition through which they are saved by grace. Believing in God is a prerequisite.
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    THE FAITH OF CHRIST

    And that from the one here whose posts, more than most, project things upon people just for his own pleasure to argue.
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    THE FAITH OF CHRIST

    That is probably because you don't really understand what faith is. You don't understand what it means to believe in God or how one comes to believe in God.
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    THE FAITH OF CHRIST

    Where does it say that in the Bible? You are saying that God the Son, only believed but didn't know with absolute certainty, that God the Father would save Him. That doesn't say much about the absolute divinity of Jesus. Jesus was there from the beginning. As God, the Son, He together with God...
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    Regenration

    The following is from my favorite theologian, Jack Cottrell, and can be found in his book. The Faith Once For All: Bible Doctrine For Today (pp. 455-456). College Press Publishing Company, Inc.. Kindle Edition. REGENERATION The Nature of Regeneration Regeneration is an instantaneous...
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    Is it prideful or arrogant to claim to be "born again"?

    This illustrates one of the problems with the concept of monergistic regeneration. For the monergist there is really nothing beyond a "feeling" that one has been regenerated. It is not at all reasonable to think that God would leave such a momentous occurrence up to just a "feeling". Never in...
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    Is it prideful or arrogant to claim to be "born again"?

    Is regeneration simply a "gut feeling", a "bright light of understanding"? I don't think so.
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    In all such passages, Paul intends works of law; believing is a work (John 6:29) but not a work of law. When Paul said that we are saved by grace, not by works, he does not preclude our needing to do something in order to be saved. We must believe (John 6:47).
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    When are God's Elect Justified?

    The question is not whether we are chosen and predestined to become conformed to the image of Jesus Christ, called, justified and glorified. The question that must be answered is what the basis upon which God chooses is. Both Paul and Peter say that basis for God's choosing is His foreknowledge...