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  1. Butch5

    The Case For The Triune GodHead!

    That's not my description, that's the standard Trinitarian understanding. Personally, I think they're both wrong. The apostle Paul states plainly to the Corinthians, that there is one God the Father. Jesus said that the Father was the only true God. Paul said that the Father is the only...
  2. Butch5

    The Case For The Triune GodHead!

    I believe this is Modalism, not Trinitarianism. Trinitarianism says there is one God in three persons, not one God who manifests Himself as different persons.
  3. Butch5

    The Case For The Triune GodHead!

    Modalism is the idea that there is one being called God who manifests himself as the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit depending on the the need. In other words, at one time He may manifest Himself as the Father and at another the Son. It appears from you statement above that you see the Father and...
  4. Butch5

    The Case For The Triune GodHead!

    Sounds like Modalism.
  5. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    I see why you got banned on the other forum.
  6. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    Jesus, The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. (Matt. 13:39-40 KJV) The apostles, And as he sat upon the mount of...
  7. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    I did post Scripture. I posted Scripture where Jesus spoke of the end of the aion. I posted Scripture where the apostles spoke of the end of the aion. And, I posted Scripture where Paul spoke of the end of the aion. But, if you don't accept the words of Jesus, the apostles, and Paul, surely...
  8. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    Again, aion doesn't mean forever. I have to assume you've chosen to believe your English translators rather than Jesus, the apostles, and Paul.
  9. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    As I've shown, aion cannot mean everlasting. The fire isn't everlasting. I've shown this from both the grammar, that aion doesn't mean everlasting and from Scripture, showing that the place you claim is everlasting fire, will one day be made holy to the Lord. No one said the OT overrules the...
  10. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    I already gave you Scripture, you ignored it. This passage says the fire is not quenched. The meaning of quench is to extinguish. It means to put out. It doesn't mean the fire won't go out. It simply means no one will put it out. However, what we see here is not souls or spirits suffering...
  11. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    No, I quoted that translation to show you the proper translation, not disprove eternal torment. It's Jesus, the apostles, and Paul that disprove eternal torment. As you've conveniently neglected to address the evidence that flatly refutes your understanding of the passages and it refutes the...
  12. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    So, you just ignored it all, huh? Jesus, the apostles, and Paul all say it ends. And, it's the same word here. If it can't mean eternal or everlasting there, it can't here either.
  13. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    I notice you didn't post YLT. But it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 English translations. Jesus said the aion would end. Thus aion is not eternal or forever. But, I'll bet you'll choose your translations over what Jesus said. Jesus, The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is For...
  14. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    Well, firstly, you don't know me. So, you don't know what I'm qualified for. Secondly, I'm not rewriting anything. I'm simply telling you what the Greek text means. But if you'd prefer to look silly in front of everyone have at it. and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the...
  15. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    Actually, it does. There's nothing in this passage that says they were dead. Also, forever and ever is a poor translation of αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων". A better translation is ages of ages. However, that too is a figure of speech.
  16. Butch5

    Grace-Haters are incapable of honestly admitting what the (P) in Calvinism really means.

    Actually, the "in you" was the Philippians. The good work He started in them was their partnership with Paul in his ministry.
  17. Butch5

    Predestination vs free will: is there really any conflict in Scripture?

    I've seen the word "foreknowledge" spoken of quite a bit. The word literally means before-know or to know before. it's not used of knowing the future. It's used of knowing in the past. It talks of knowing someone or something in the past. And we know that all things work together for good to...
  18. Butch5

    Predestination vs free will: is there really any conflict in Scripture?

    While I agree with your conclusion, I would submit that the whole debate is wrong. Men have created doctrines and given them Biblical titles. When the Bible refers to ones being predestined, it is referring to Israel. The Election, is Israel. Man has free will, that was taught from the start of...
  19. Butch5

    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Two of your three passages are gone just on context. Jesus is the only one who referred to believers as, His sheep. Jesus' ministry was only to the Israel, thus the Jewish believers were His sheep. In context, when I speaks of "His people" he is also referring to the Israel. That leaves you...